"Chris Holland" <mail@chrisholland.me.uk> wrote in message
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> Hi rita,
>
> I signed up with http://www.bodhost.co.u
> I got the Windows package so it was a bit more expensive at £25 a month
>

Sorry Chris but mine is Win2003 for 15 quid and the stats are the same as
yours. How far are you from Maidenhead ? your on the M4 somewhere
I think..
Keep in mind that 4 UK Dbisam users could buy a server and share the site
rent.
 a.. Up to 2U Rackmount Server
 b.. 2000GB Monthly Transfer
 c.. 100Mbits internet connection
 d.. Up to 10 IP Addresses
 e.. 24x7 Support
 f.. Free Reboots
 g.. Full duplex 100Mbits internet connection
 h.. 99.9% Uptime SLA with compensation for any downtime
 i.. Monthly Contract!
 j.. Free 10GB network backup service so you can be sure your data is safe
 k.. Free reboots as required
 l.. 24h onsite technical support included
Just £42 + VAT -  = £49.35

£12.50 each for 4

I found this its sorta free I'am hoping it will work like Virtuozzo

http://www.virtualbox.org/download/UserManual.pdf

Rita

> I really would like to know what it takes to open a data center besides big
> bucks.  Who do you connect to and so on.
> Maybe move into a building near a telephone exchange, hookup 100 x 4 port
> routers on 25 servers on umetered bandwith making 400 Dbisam customers
> happy, all I need now is a VS app to carve each server into 4, an old wreck
> of a building in downtown Grotsville 25 Windows servers or 25 XP boxes
> running your esnetsrv Rita

You can quite easily be a sub provider at lots of the providers on the market.
You get a discount on their server hosting prices, don't have any servers or
bandwidth to "stock" as you get the servers on demand and the bandwidth in
terabytes/month (which don't cost as much as you might think). You just add
your additional "service" (being that extraordinary reporting, software
services, ultra tight secure access etc) and start getting customers. For
hardware services they usually have so called remote hands that are very good
and efficeint and are usually charged per 15 minutes.

You can start with a 1/4 rack (10HE/500W) for about 200 Euro/month in a top
Frankfurt center (20+ Gbit total mutliple redundant backbone on 5+ different
providers). Each terabyte traffic is about 170 Euro. Just add your server
hardware and software license. A full rack (42HE/2000W) would be about
600/month Euro. A full flat rack about 2000 Euro.

If you want to get physical access *yourself* into a good network center (good
means good bandwidth, good premises, good security, swift problem resolving,
redundant power supplies, ...) you'll usually have to go through an intense
background check and be ready to walk through biometric gates and physical
security. Also there are (small) costs involved too.

Being a subprovider can work quite well if you have the right service to offer
to a niche market, which high speed, redundant, high secure virtual database
services surely would be. Don't underestimate the time involved to keep all
your customers happy though. Been there, done that

--

Hannes Danzl
Newsgroup archive at http://www.tamaracka.com/search.htm

"Hannes Danzl[NDD]" <hannes@nexusdb.dbnexus.com> wrote in message
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>. Don't underestimate the time involved to keep all
> your customers happy though. Been there, done that

Hannes thats ok but I meant the complete thing not someone else's
data center. Whats involved in that ?
How do you hook up to the loop ? who owns what ?
Data center's are huge owned by telecoms but if you contact them
for info they try and sell you a hosting service 1/4 rack and up. My
daughter owns a very old ex-railway building next to a telephone
exchange its been empty for 10 years its very secure and has walls
about 2 foot thick its 40 foot high and all ground floor it was a power
station at one time for an electric rail. She bought it to turn into flats
but the local council will not let her. It would make a really nice place
for a data center.

Rita

Rita wrote:

>
> "Hannes Danzl[NDD]" <hannes@nexusdb.dbnexus.com> wrote in message
> news:xn0fm76ko1lhldp008@news.elevatesoft.com...
> > . Don't underestimate the time involved to keep all
> > your customers happy though. Been there, done that
>
> Hannes thats ok but I meant the complete thing not someone else's
> data center. Whats involved in that ?
> How do you hook up to the loop ? who owns what ?
> Data center's are huge owned by telecoms but if you contact them
> for info they try and sell you a hosting service 1/4 rack and up. My
> daughter owns a very old ex-railway building next to a telephone
> exchange its been empty for 10 years its very secure and has walls
> about 2 foot thick its 40 foot high and all ground floor it was a power
> station at one time for an electric rail. She bought it to turn into flats
> but the local council will not let her. It would make a really nice place
> for a data center.

You don't need telecom. They have nothing that you need except the phone lines
for your support and order lines.

First, I don't think that putting an actual datacenter ABOVE ground is a good
idea for security and disaster protection reasons. They are usually built
underground, often in old bunkers, even canal systems or just custom dug.

Should that not deter you here are the steps to take. If you can't make any of
these work, stop there.

First of all make sure you've access to at LEAST TWO different fully
independent power grids.

Then you need to get them work together to supply you correctly (iow automatic
transfer).

You also need to make sure you've at least three backbone providers in your
area and ready to connect you for your given budget. If you can't get that
stop there. All of these should be able to provide you with redundant cabling
etc.

Install *redundant* backup supplies in form of generators. You'll need fuel
storage facilities for that to run you for a couple of days at a minimum.
Preferably these facilities are as FAR away as possible from any data
equipment and lines just in case something goes wrong. You also need to make
sure that a failing generator is repaired asap, so a SLA is a good idea.

Now you need to make sure that your building is properly climatized and can
cope with the amount of heat that you're going to produce. Again that heating
has to be redundant with repair contracts etc in place. You don't want to
roast your hardware in case the aircons go off.

You need raised floors (all the cables, ducts etc run under them). Naturally
strong enough to hold a good load of euqipment but easily accessible and not
being in the way of cooling.

Physical access controls would probably be next, electronic and real guards.

If you have come here: congratulations you now have a building that can be
used as datacenter. The worst is over the rest is a breeze. Secure rooms with
secure server racks, kilometers of fibrecables, loadbalancing/failover
routers, servers and a million dollar monitoring and management system for all
of these are the final part.

Now above is only the main things, each of these steps has it's own big and
small issues to be solved (interferences, cooling turbulences, active disaster
control [e.g. fire suppression] are but a few). If you want to make money you
better plan rack/server positions and cooling well otherwise the costs for
energy costs, which takes up to 50% of the monthly, are going to cut into your
cake. Costs? Well once you have the building sorted, I'd say start with about
1 to 1.5 mio$. How much it will cost to make your building suitable depends on
what you have already. Running costs? I've no real idea, but *lots*!

Considering what you said about the building and the fact that most likely you
want to dig it out and build underground I'd say you have to come up with at
least 3 to 4 mio$ for that, assuming that you can get all the required
services to the location.

Most likely you're better off to convert it to something like an adventure
playground with climbing walls etc.

--

Hannes (who was involved in building a datacenter in Vienna many years ago)

A quick google:
http://www.pipenetworks.com/dc3/index.php?d=16&m=04&y=07


--

Hannes Danzl [NexusDB Developer]
Newsgroup archive at http://www.tamaracka.com/search.htm

Thanks are these the people who link you up ?
http://www.euroconnex.net/index.php

If it is it seems cheap

Rita

Rita wrote:

> Thanks are these the people who link you up ?
> http://www.euroconnex.net/index.php
>
> If it is it seems cheap

That's one of them yes. Mind you for a modern datacenter you're probably
talking a minimum 10Gbit+ to plan ahead for future 20+. The 120GBP is for
10mbit doing a rough estimate that would be about 12000GBP for 10 GB, but i'm
sure you'll get a better price...

--

Hannes Danzl [NexusDB Developer]
Newsgroup archive at http://www.tamaracka.com/search.htm

I am about 100 miles from Maidenhead, but being able to take over the
computer via Remote Desktop is enough for me. We run our own DBISAM
server here but we are in the middle of nowhere in Worcester and our
Broadband line is a bit flaky. So I run the other server as a back up to
our customer who download weekly update via the servers.

Chris Holland


Rita wrote:
> "Chris Holland" <mail@chrisholland.me.uk> wrote in message
> news:E94F9ECC-095B-4BD7-82A3-F8BAAC3B89E3@news.elevatesoft.com...
>> Hi rita,
>>
>> I signed up with http://www.bodhost.co.u
>> I got the Windows package so it was a bit more expensive at £25 a month
>>
>
> Sorry Chris but mine is Win2003 for 15 quid and the stats are the same as
> yours. How far are you from Maidenhead ? your on the M4 somewhere
> I think..
> Keep in mind that 4 UK Dbisam users could buy a server and share the site
> rent.
>   a.. Up to 2U Rackmount Server
>   b.. 2000GB Monthly Transfer
>   c.. 100Mbits internet connection
>   d.. Up to 10 IP Addresses
>   e.. 24x7 Support
>   f.. Free Reboots
>   g.. Full duplex 100Mbits internet connection
>   h.. 99.9% Uptime SLA with compensation for any downtime
>   i.. Monthly Contract!
>   j.. Free 10GB network backup service so you can be sure your data is safe
>   k.. Free reboots as required
>   l.. 24h onsite technical support included
> Just £42 + VAT -  = £49.35
>
> £12.50 each for 4
>
> I found this its sorta free I'am hoping it will work like Virtuozzo
>
> http://www.virtualbox.org/download/UserManual.pdf
>
> Rita
>
>
>