This is very slightly off-topic ...

I have started to look at the Pascal-based Web application development environment Morfik
(www.morfik.com), I promise I am not a secret employee (

It seems like a really powerful & usable tool which can build great websites in an object
oriented, class / methods - based way. Something I have been looking for for _years_

It is built to automatically work with Firebird ... choosing this as a default database
"because its open source" ... I know FB & think it is great, but I use DBISAM and ELEVATE.

Morfik can easily access ODBC datasources, so linking to DBISAM is not a problem. However,
as it is built in Pascal (and can incorporate Delphi libraries and code) I wondered whether:

- Anyone in the DBISAM community was already working with it & might have code to enable
direct access via TDBISAMXXXXX components.

- Morfik was on the radar of Elevate, perhaps to create some paid-for components to link
DBISAM & Elevate databases to the Morfik application IDE.

Adam

Adam,

<< - Morfik was on the radar of Elevate, perhaps to create some paid-for
components to link DBISAM & Elevate databases to the Morfik application IDE.
>>

I'll answer this one.  I talked to them about including DBISAM or
ElevateDB as the default database, but they wanted to stick with FireBird.

However, if there's a need, I can certainly talk to them again and see if
there's anything that can be done that doesn't involve using ODBC.

--
Tim Young
Elevate Software
www.elevatesoft.com

It seems to me as if this product might grow to be more influential, so the option of more
than 1 back end would be really useful. I don't know how much work it would be to port
DBISAM to it (over & above ODBC) but I would certainly be interested in the product.

I am still curious to hear whether any other DBISAM (or ELEVATEDB) developers are looking
at it.

"adam" <adam@fullwellmill.co.uk> ha scritto nel messaggio
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> It seems to me as if this product might grow to be more influential, so
> the option of more
> than 1 back end would be really useful. I don't know how much work it
> would be to port
> DBISAM to it (over & above ODBC) but I would certainly be interested in
> the product.
>
> I am still curious to hear whether any other DBISAM (or ELEVATEDB)
> developers are looking
> at it.
>

Morfik had already seen several months ago and is an interesting product.
The problem is who decides on the database is the web providers
Usually the web provider handles MS Access, MS SQL or MySql and STOP!

Carlos

There are providers who will support a greater range of DBs, but I agree they are not
creative in this area.

However, with DBISAM there is not really the "heavy" need for DB architecture. I have many
installations where I just use DBISAM in "lite" mode (no C/S) with the Morfik type server
the tables would be "local" anyway ... so there would be very little performance problem
not using CS.

The ISP doesn't really need to know you are using a complex DB behind the scenes. If
Morfik could link to this it would be really easy.

adam wrote:
> It seems like a really powerful & usable tool which can build great
> websites in an object oriented, class / methods - based way.
> Something I have been looking for for years

Maybe I'm missing something major, but doesn't Intraweb do that?

Does Morfik use its own OP compiler? Just curious.

>>Maybe I'm missing something major, but doesn't Intraweb do that?

I have developed an Intraweb app for a good customer & it worked well. However there are a
few basic issues with Intraweb which never really made me very happy, crucially the fact
that you end up with a form of application which many customers and ISPs don't understand
very well & can't integrate with easily.

Also things like clean URLs are difficult, which are a basic requirement for some sites &
SEO. (I know there are ways around these issues if any Intraweb guys are reading by the
way!) Intraweb feels to me like a great tool for building Intraweb applications rather
than websites.

I am only just getting to know Morfik, so I may run away screaming later, but it just
seems a cleaner implementation than Intraweb, and easier to do more conventional web-site
style work with. It also offers really decent look-and-feel for sites out of the box.

>>Does Morfik use its own OP compiler? Just curious.

Don't know the answer to this one sorry. Any one else??

adam wrote:
> crucially the fact that you end up with a
> form of application which many customers and ISPs don't understand
> very well & can't integrate with easily.

True. It's imperative, imho, to run an Intraweb server on a VPS. The
ISAPI solution gave me too many hassles.

But if I understand the Morfik thing correctly, it deploys as a
standalone EXE too, no?

>>But if I understand the Morfik thing correctly, it deploys as a
>>standalone EXE too, no?

Hum: I don't claim to be an expert at all, I am just reading their own PR ... what they
say is that their apps are built as a "combined" APACHE.dll, Firebird.dll (for the DB
connections) and "some other files.

... Not really sure what any of this amounts to, but the main difference with Intraweb
(which is a good product in its own ways) seems to be the fact that it is quite server
agnostic, you can build for a range of different servers (from a range of different
lanugages!) & I _think_ the resulting applications give more "normal" types of web-app
than Intraweb.

The bigger benefits over Intraweb for me are to do with the fact that you are working in
an IDE dedicated to the web. Delphi is a great IDE, but the Morfik IDE is well suited to
web-focused app building (even though it is very young).

Adam

Hi Adam,

I had a look at this a few months ago.  I asked a few questions by email,
some questions in respect to DBISAM, and never had the courtesy of a
response.  It looked interesting but support is imperative in my opinion, so
I had to pass up on any further evaluation.

Alex

"adam" <adam@fullwellmill.co.uk> wrote in message
news:D53F75E2-D647-4EAC-8CD2-3E38BB11BD0E@news.elevatesoft.com...
> It seems to me as if this product might grow to be more influential, so
> the option of more
> than 1 back end would be really useful. I don't know how much work it
> would be to port
> DBISAM to it (over & above ODBC) but I would certainly be interested in
> the product.
>
> I am still curious to hear whether any other DBISAM (or ELEVATEDB)
> developers are looking
> at it.
>