Raul wrote:

<< Roy Lambert wrote:

I'm not sure it would make any difference to the size of the EWB customer base but I think you're missing the point here.

>>

<< Yes - i mis-interpreted the original post. My reading of if it was that adding lazarus support would result in more EWB users but that of course was not at all what Trinione said. >>

I am totally referring to the EWB user base.


<< You will need some kind of server side scripting capability (PHP, ASP,
etc) but i assume you already have that in place. And as always you need dop need to think about security aspects -  especially if this  server is internet facing. >>

Create a VBS script file on the server and call it from PHP. Then, I realised with slight modifications it could be a JS file called from PHP as it was an ActiveX component that ran at the web server computer.

Thanks.

Raul wrote:

> I agree but i was just saying that adding lazarus support itself will
> likely not bring significant new users to EWB.

You are right, but it might help EWB by eliminating a pain point. I
have XE2, and am not going to be going further with Delphi as for me
EWB is now my front end tool, with Delphi or C# as the back end.
Knowing that I can take the EWB back-end and build modules without
paying for Delphi "Moon" version would be good to know as it means I
don't worry that I'd have to pay for something else later. So for the
customer, it would be a win.

From Tim's point of view, it would probably be more pain. Unless he can
reliably install version X of Lazarus and know it works for all, then
it would be too much I would think. Worth paying that price if EWB
server was an essential part of EWB, but fortunately it can be replaced
easily if you want to.

Some interesting strategic planning needed methinks.

--

Matthew Jones

On 9/27/2015 7:11 PM, Trinione wrote:
> Create a VBS script file on the server and call it from PHP. Then, I realised with slight modifications it could be a JS file called from PHP as it was an ActiveX component that ran at the web server computer.

I'm unclear on latter one - i assume you're referring to windows script
host JScript here.

You definitely can in php you just execute the command direct as well
(exec/system/etc) without the overhead of launching a script host.

Again depends on your requirements and complexity/

Raul

Raul,

<< EDB has supported Lazarus for a while now so i wonder if Tim would be willing to chime in as to actual % of customers using lazarus (if he can track). >>

I don't have a percentage, but the actual number is 35 EDB-LCL purchases since early 2013.  Not an insignificant number, but not exactly setting the world on fire.  So far, we haven't had any requests for Lazarus module support for EWB, apart from this thread.

I think your general sense is largely correct: developers that use free development environments tend to also not pay for their components/add-ons.  My hunch is that a large part of this is due to the fact that the exchange rates are so horrible for certain countries/regions that it makes US/EU products *extremely* expensive, so hopefully I'll get a chance to test that theory in the next year.  Of course, I could be completely wrong and it's something more fundamental.....

Tim Young
Elevate Software
www.elevatesoft.com

Raul,

<<  These is also the matter of limited developer resources (Tim's time) so i would personally much prefer some of the EWB framework and editor enhancements before lazarus support (for example v2.5 editor upgrade with auto complete etc). >>

Lazarus support is normally just a drop-in in terms of compilation.  The bigger issue is that I would have to figure out how to open up a lot of the underlying EWB source code, and *that's* a problem in terms of time.  If Lazarus could get binary package support, it would really open it up to more support from 3rd party vendors that can't/don't want to necessarily provide source code to certain parts of their products/components.

Tim Young
Elevate Software
www.elevatesoft.com

Roy,

<< There's a scene in one of the HHG books (I think) where an artist keeps adding a layer of paint until with the final layer the painting crashes through the floor - at what point do your various lists implode and form a black hole >>

The EWB list is pretty small still, and I'm keeping up with it.  The EDB list is, and has been, over 1 1/2 inches thick for some time now.

Tim Young
Elevate Software
www.elevatesoft.com

On 9/28/2015 10:34 AM, Tim Young [Elevate Software] wrote:
> My hunch is that a large part of this is due to the fact that the exchange rates are so horrible for certain countries/regions that it makes US/EU products *extremely* expensive, so hopefully I'll get a chance to test that theory in the next year.  Of course, I could be completely wrong and it's something more fundamental.....

Even Canadian dollar is in hell right now in terms of exchange rate -
US$1 = CA$1.35.  Just 2 years ago we were almost at par.

I know i'm personally holding off buying anything with US pricing right
now that I absolutely don't need.

Raul

Even Canadian dollar is in hell right now in terms of exchange rate -
US$1 = CA$1.35.  Just 2 years ago we were almost at par.

Yes - I'm looking for more US Clients!!

Walter

> Lazarus support is normally just a drop-in in terms of compilation.  The bigger issue is that I

Please do not use your spare time for this. I think your potential customer base are Delphi
developers, who search for a tool to write web apps.

95% of my work is Windows desktop and will be for the next 5 years for sure. But I need some web
interfaces. I tried different things, always with an Indy Http Server on server side:
- My own library with jquery
- jquery EasyUI on client side
- EWB 1

The EWB 1 solution is the only web applications of these, which I can reopen after several months
and can make a change within a reasonable time. For the others I need at least several hours to
understand my own code again.

cu Christian

The gist of the discussion about Lazarus ignores one key aspect - developers left Delphi because of price and short cycle. People were paying a reasonable price for years without issue. So, to say it's just freebiers is not correct.

Within this thread I am reading exactly why Delphi has gotten so unattractive. When I bought my first development package, Borland C++ 2.0, the price was reasonable, even for a student with interests in the field. All the way thru my Delphi 2007 purchase, the price was reasonable enough not to cause stutter.

I dare say there are more non-XE developers than there are XE developers. Some still happily use D7. Delphi is a very flexible product.

If EWB can have the feature to use Lazarus to develop modules, fantastic.That makes it a much more complete and robust product. If not, I will never write a Module.

This is like tying a plug in to JQuery and not plain vanilla Javascript when you may be able to.