On 10/11/2015 3:09 AM, Roy Lambert wrote:
> That's a very interesting point. You'd expect them to be shouting how this was good news for customers at the very least.

There is a blog entry now but dev tools don't get much love at all :

http://blog.idera.com/industry/idera-welcomes-embarcadero/


Raul

On 10/11/2015 8:15 AM, Roy Lambert wrote:
> Marketing/sales emails are still arriving though

Yep - same here. One has to run do business as normal for now

Raul

Raul


>There is a blog entry now but dev tools don't get much love at all :
>
>http://blog.idera.com/industry/idera-welcomes-embarcadero/

Both in that, and the announcement it links to it mentions "Embarcadero is two great businesses". Delphi etc must be the other one

Roy

Raul,

<< There is a blog entry now but dev tools don't get much love at all : >>

If by "love" you mean "mention the existence of", then yes, you are correct.

But, this guy doesn't seem like the technical type, so who knows what any of that means....

Tim Young
Elevate Software
www.elevatesoft.com

Well, I'm hoping that with a change comes some fresh ideas for
encouraging new developers to join up.

The recent changes I've seen over the past few years seems to have done
the opposite. Firstly the removal of Dephi Personal / Free version
(limited personal version that allowed people to get acquainted with
Pascal), and now the new patch / updating policy which I find quite
disturbing would be a put off for new developers. It's also had the
affect where I've seen a number of developers jump ship to Visual
Studio, and others just remaining on older versions.

I understand a company needs to make money and have no problems with
that, but I've really questioned some of the more recent decisions under
Embarcadero.

Maybe I just had it too good back in the old Borland days, but I really
feel like I was more connected with the company back then. Not to
mention that the newsgroups seemed to be far more active back in those days.

I guess it will all depend on the reasoning for the acquisition. As they
say... time will tell.

Adam,

<< Maybe I just had it too good back in the old Borland days, but I really feel like I was more connected with the company back then. Not to mention that the newsgroups seemed to be far more active back in those days. >>

I think a lot of it was just a function of the popularity of Delphi then.  Then C# and .Net came along and....

Given the fact that C# and .Net are starting to fade a bit (just a bit) and doing things like .Net native, I sometimes think that it would been much wiser/cheaper for MS to simply acquire Borland and add the bits that they wanted to the VCL/compiler/IDE.  It certainly would have saved a lot of time and money for a lot of companies/individuals.  It's not like existing Delphi developers would have balked at having another language like C#/Visual Basic in the IDE, either.  I don't use C++, but it doesn't bother me that it's in RAD Studio for those that want it, and it's easy-peasy to build packages for them to use.  It just doesn't seem like the managed environment has taken off like they thought it would, and those that need to target "everywhere" often just stick with something like Java.

Oh well, alternate universes and all....

Tim Young
Elevate Software
www.elevatesoft.com

Tim


>Given the fact that C# and .Net are starting to fade a bit (just a bit) and doing things like .Net native, I sometimes think that it would been much wiser/cheaper for MS to simply acquire Borland and add the bits that they wanted to the VCL/compiler/IDE. It certainly would have saved a lot of time and money for a lot of companies/individuals. It's not like existing Delphi developers would have balked at having another language like C#/Visual Basic in the IDE, either. I don't use C++, but it doesn't bother me that it's in RAD Studio for those that want it, and it's easy-peasy to build packages for them to use. It just doesn't seem like the managed environment has taken off like they thought it would, and those that need to target "everywhere" often just stick with something like Java.

I think I would have agreed with you if not for the fact that my opinion is that MS would have destroyed, or simply closed, Delphi.

>Oh well, alternate universes and all....

Or as Terry Pratchett would have said - "its all quantum"

Roy

Roy,

<< I think I would have agreed with you if not for the fact that my opinion is that MS would have destroyed, or simply closed, Delphi. >>

Yes, but that's kind of my point - it would have been wiser for them *not* to have tried to destroy Delphi, but to buy it and merge it with their own developer base.  IOW, just have it be another language in the ecosystem.  VB.NET is still kicking around....

Tim Young
Elevate Software
www.elevatesoft.com

I've just received the letter from Idera. It was going well until I arrived at


<<and also plan to leverage IDERA’s talented marketing team to refine messaging and advance dialogue with prospects>>




Roy Lambert

Roy Lambert wrote:

> I've just received the letter from Idera. It was going well until I arrived at
>
>
> <<and also plan to leverage IDERAs talented marketing team to refine messaging and advance dialogue with prospects>>
>

At least you got a letter.

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