As a single developer at the end of his career and having used Delphi through all of its iterations since Version 1, I am now faced with the decision do I upgrade from XE6 Pro to Delphi 10S Pro and hope for a new project in the next few years that would justify the nearly $592 US  (or my case approx.  $900 Cdn) investment.  

For my most recent large project I used XE and stayed with the 32-bit platform.  I did purchase an XE6 upgrade but to date have not spent any time with it.  I have until the end of February to decide if I should bother to upgrade to 10S since that will be the last time I can purchase the upgrade without a subscription.

What has been the general consensus with 10S?

... Norm

<< Norman Clark wrote:
What has been the general consensus with 10S?
>>

Norm,

I think Delphi 10S is a solid release - I still use D2007 for an older project and 10S for newer and much prefer it. XE8 was quite good as well IMHO.

However i don't really think it provides that much extra value relative to XE/XE6 which you already have - especially if you're not sure whether you have any upcoming projects . I specifically mean VCL side of things.

For mobile (firemonkey) it's definitely one i'd get today but you then also have to get maintenance - i would consider it useless without it.

There so many great dev tools our there these days - unless you need delphi i would suggest you check some of those out meanwhile from mobile to web and server development. Many of them are free or lot more affordable including EWB  from Tim (i do agree that CAD exchange rate is making all US based pricing challenge at the moment though).

Raul

<Norman Clark> wrote:
>.I have until the end of February to decide if I should bother to upgrade
> to 10S since that will be the last time I can purchase the upgrade without a subscription.
>

If you don't want the subscription then don't bother. The release has a
major 64-bit bug and the fix is only available with subscription.

--
Matthew Jones

Matthew Jones wrote:

<Norman Clark> wrote:
>.I have until the end of February to decide if I should bother to upgrade
> to 10S since that will be the last time I can purchase the upgrade without a subscription.
>

If you don't want the subscription then don't bother. The release has a
major 64-bit bug and the fix is only available with subscription.

--
Matthew Jones

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That's typical of the way Embarcadero now operates and probably the main reason that I am unlikely to upgrade.  How could a company with a modicum of respect for their customers not provide the bug-fixes for a product release to the customers that paid for that release.  I do acknowledge that a new product release that introduces new features/functionality should be offered for a price and let the customer decide if he/she wishes to pay for the new features.

The attitude toward small developers has made many of us turn away and seek out a development environment where there is recognition that creative minds don't only work in large development shops with budgets to support subscriptions.

Norman Clark wrote:

> The attitude toward small developers has made many of us turn away
> and seek out a development environment where there is recognition
> that creative minds don't only work in large development shops with
> budgets to support subscriptions.

Not sure this is the place to discuss this, but I'm working with
someone on a Delphi project and they have XE6. I bought XE10S so I
could get compatibility with them, but have not yet decided if I really
want to use it for my own projects. There are some things that it makes
a lot better, like JSON library that works for starters, but there is a
"complete re-write" project that I am looking at for another client and
that will most likely be a web service written in C# and use ElevateDB
for data storage and WebBuilder for the UI. Part of the thinking is
that they will want to sell out in a few years to someone, and they are
uncertain of Delphi as a tool you can get people to work with. XE10S is
a good tool, no doubt, but is it worth investing in?

--

Matthew Jones

Norman Clark wrote:

As a single developer at the end of his career and having used Delphi through all of its iterations since Version 1, I am now faced with the decision do I upgrade from XE6 Pro to Delphi 10S Pro and hope for a new project in the next few years that would justify the nearly $592 US  (or my case approx.  $900 Cdn) investment.  

For my most recent large project I used XE and stayed with the 32-bit platform.  I did purchase an XE6 upgrade but to date have not spent any time with it.  I have until the end of February to decide if I should bother to upgrade to 10S since that will be the last time I can purchase the upgrade without a subscription.

What has been the general consensus with 10S?

... Norm


As a conclusion to this thread, I decided to hang tough with XE6 until such time as I have a sufficiently large (paying) project that would necessitate upgrading.  Time will tell if this was the wrong decision but no one could give me any overwhelming reasons to upgrade to 10 at this time.  I think that XE6 will still enable me to upgrade when the next version is released.  At that time, I will have to revisit the issue.

Thanks for the input.
... Norm

A decent healthy thread this. No hating ... which is good I think, but plenty of solid (deserved) criticism of Embarcadero.

Now the business has been bought out by Idera I think we will all have to hang-fire and see what happens next.

I was in on a web-chat with Marcu Cantu last month & he was positive. He said EMB under Idera will go back to annual upgrades, and try to "focus more on developers". Hopefully that doesn't mean squeeze us until they can feel the pips.

Many of us have critical applications we build with Delphi, we are stuck with the product so if they charge $XXXX for it we have to follow. However this sales strategy is absolutely guaranteed to kill the product in an environment where so much development is possible for free or cheap. I hope they see this and put in place some sensibly priced subscriptions and marketing to bring in new users. Otherwise we are running a lonely path to oblivion.

I am on XE8, previously XE2 and D2007. So I upgrade roughly every 5 or 6 versions ... that seems enough to me given the rate of change of the product.

Adam


>Many of us have critical applications we build with Delphi, we are stuck with the product so if they charge $XXXX for it we have to follow.

I don't follow the logic here. If you're a new feature junkie, or it has a feature which will make it a cash positive decision, or your customers demand it you're right. Howver, there are still people posting on the emb newsgroups using single digit delphi (ie 7 and before). Not that many of them now but you wouldn't expect that since if you haven't figured out all the newbie stuff by now for D7 you have a serious problem.

Roy Lambert