It's been 24 hours since XE4 has been released... Where's the new ElevateDB builds for XE4???  I've had MY serials for 18 hours.

<grin>

I figured I would post this before anyone else.  I love to give Tim a bad time every time a new IDE is released.

Lance

Lance


The only sane response to this is



LONG LIVE D2006




Roy Lambert

lol...   I want my Delphi 2 and Delphi 8 back!   

I actually like XE4 so far.  I've been using for a few months.  They seem to have cleaned up a number of issues in the IDE for the VCL side and the IOS management is superior to XE2.

I still do VCL 99% of the time.  So time will tell, once my major vendors update to XE4, to see how load times have improved as well as the solidness of the IDE.

Wasn't happy with Prism being pulled, but had already got a different license with RemObjects to do IOS and Android anyways.  I haven't played with HTMLBuilder, as I didn't care for RADPHP.  Plus have Tim's product there, which I need to spend some more time with.  Want to try doing a Amateur Radio application tool.

I'm on SA with Embo, which is the only reason getting XE4 now.  

Roy Lambert wrote:

Lance


The only sane response to this is



LONG LIVE D2006




Roy Lambert

Lance


>lol... I want my Delphi 2 and Delphi 8 back!

I've still got D6, My D1..D5 were disposed of long ago.

>I actually like XE4 so far. I've been using for a few months. They seem to have cleaned up a number of issues in the IDE for the VCL side and the IOS management is superior to XE2.

I still have to see anything (with the possible exception of 64bit) that makes me want to upgrade. Not knocking anyone else's opinion just giving mine.

Roy

I like having X64, but don't have any current projects that really leverage the need.  There might be some speed improvements, but still outputting 32 bit.

If you're not doing IOS/OSX, the reasoning to upgrade gets harder.  XE2 and D2007 were my favorites.  XE3 does improve some minor things, but not enough to affect me.  XE4 - Jury is out at the moment until my 3rd party libs are all XE4 and I can compile and compare differences between XE4 vs XE3 or XE2.  There's some IDE issues that crash XE2 or XE3 that I'm hoping will be cleared up with XE4.

Firedac is cool, but since my DB stuff is primarily Elevate, with a little bit of MSSQL or MySQL for some internal projects, it's not a high point.

Like you say, there may be people breaking down doors for the stuff XE4 has and many that will probably stay pat with XE2 or XE.

Roy Lambert wrote:

I still have to see anything (with the possible exception of 64bit) that makes me want to upgrade. Not knocking anyone else's opinion just giving mine.

Roy

I'm on XE2 & it is better than D2007, which was my previous, although exe's are painfully larger. There are a good number of little fixes & improvements which make my life easier. I am waiting for mature Android support before I upgrade again ... but that might be as little at 18-24 months off if rumours I hear are true.

Overall for me the best news of the last 12 months is that for all the nit-picking from Delphi old-hands EMB seem to be doing a good job of keeping the product afloat.

>>I like having X64, but don't have any current projects that really leverage the need.  There might be some speed >>improvements, but still outputting 32 bit.

Ditto & I hear funny things from people writing 64 bit along the lines of "its not actually any faster and the exe files are so much bigger and ... " to the point of thinking its not really worth it. I guess for specialized tasks it is essential, but not for anything I'm doing.

>>Firedac is cool, but since my DB stuff is primarily Elevate, with a little bit of MSSQL or MySQL for some >>internal projects, it's not a high point.

Ditto. EDB does all my DB, so I don't need anything else.

FireMonkey is cool, but I am not about to migrate my _whole_ gui class framework just to get scaleable controls!


>>>>Not knocking anyone else's opinion just giving mine.

Adam,

<Ditto & I hear funny things from people writing 64 bit along the lines of "its not actually any faster and the exe files are so much bigger and ... " to the point of thinking its not really worth it. I guess for specialized tasks it is essential, but not for anything I'm doing.>

For me, 64bits would be to get around the 2GB memory address limit. A couple of years ago I hit this limit in a TList and there is no way around it, even on a 64bit Windows machine with a 32bit app.

<FireMonkey is cool, but I am not about to migrate my _whole_ gui class framework just to get scaleable controls!>
In XE4 iOS the trend is to use bitmaps for icons and not vectors because of painting problems with vector styles. But with bitmaps you now need to have 2 sets of icons depending on whether the device is using a Retina display or not. I don't know what they will do when they release Android support because that introduces a lot more resolutions than at a New Years eve party.

Barry

Barry

>For me, 64bits would be to get around the 2GB memory address limit. A couple of years ago I hit this limit in a TList and there is no way around it, even on a 64bit Windows machine with a 32bit app.

That's one serious list! What was in it?

Roy

Roy Lambert wrote:

Barry

>>For me, 64bits would be to get around the 2GB memory address limit. A couple of years ago I hit this limit in a TList and there is no way around it, even on a 64bit Windows machine with a 32bit app.

>That's one serious list! What was in it?

Historical data read from MySQL that I needed to do some simulations on. I found it much faster to load the data once from the database which took 5-10 minutes, so I could run the simulation in 15 seconds. Then I could change parameters for the simulation and rerun it in 15 seconds without waiting another 5 to 10 minutes to traverse the database. I could do 20 different simulations in 5 minutes rather than a few hours. The TList had over 15 million entries in it.

Barry

Barry


Thanks for satisfying my curiosity

Roy Lambert