Anyone on here been able to install Rad Studio 2006 on Windows 8?


Roy Lambert

Roy,

My main development machine is now Win 8 / Delphi XE2, but I still use D2006 for compiling one old application and my customized DBISAM server, however it's running on XP in a virtual machine (I use the free VirtualBox from Oracle), so I can't tell if it can be installed or not, what I can say is that this solution has been saving me a lot of time. Those projects are going to die there, I don't intend to upgrade them.

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Fernando Dias
[Team Elevate]

Fernando


>My main development machine is now Win 8 / Delphi XE2, but I still use D2006 for compiling one old application and my customized DBISAM server, however it's running on XP in a virtual machine (I use the free VirtualBox from Oracle), so I can't tell if it can be installed or not, what I can say is that this solution has been saving me a lot of time. Those projects are going to die there, I don't intend to upgrade them.

Is that 32 bit XP on 64 bit Win 8?

Roy

On 10/1/2013 10:19 AM, Roy Lambert wrote:
>> My main development machine is now Win 8 / Delphi XE2, but I still use D2006 for compiling one old application and my customized DBISAM server, however it's running on XP in a virtual machine (I use the free VirtualBox from Oracle), so I can't tell if it can be installed or not, what I can say is that this solution has been saving me a lot of time. Those projects are going to die there, I don't intend to upgrade them.
> Is that 32 bit XP on 64 bit Win 8?
>
I would assume so - my main desktop is 64 bit Win7 and i have both 32
(XP, win 8) and 64 bit VMs (Win7 and Win8 and Server 2008R2) as virtual
machines.

All of my dev installs are in VM now - single VM for single dev system
(have delphi 5 somewhere even but main ones are 2007, XE2 and just
created XE5 as well as various Visual Studio versions).

I use VMWare myself - allows me to ftp the VM disk file from Win7 PC to
my Mac laptop (using Fusion but VM is compatible) and back.

This has worked great. My only suggestions when going VM route are : run
your often used VMs from SSD and have plenty of RAM in host.

Raul

Raul


>This has worked great. My only suggestions when going VM route are : run
>your often used VMs from SSD and have plenty of RAM in host.

How big an SSD? Remember this is just my hobby so buying a new notebook PC is going to absorb most of the budget anyway.



Roy

On 10/1/2013 10:54 AM, Roy Lambert wrote:
>> This has worked great. My only suggestions when going VM route are : run
>> your often used VMs from SSD and have plenty of RAM in host.
>
> How big an SSD? Remember this is just my hobby so buying a new notebook PC is going to absorb most of the budget anyway.
>

I did a quick check and most of my Vms are in the 30-40GB range each. So
you could get away with a 64GB one (will fit 1-2 VMs depending on size)
though i'd recommend 128GB SSD minimum. Over here you can pick one up
for about $100.

You can run the VMs from regular disk just fine - SSD just makes things
more snappier. If you're doing a new laptop then vendors often
overcharge for the SSD. I'd get a 7200rpm regular drive and make sure
you can later add a 2nd one.

In case of my laptop i originally got it with a 500GB drive and then
added a 256GB SSD just last year (and moved the regular drive to CD
space (removed CD completely since i never use it)). I use the SSD for
the OS and couple of most frequently used VMs and then store everything
else on the regular drive.

The other recommendation is that backup your SSD regularly - long term
reliability is still unknown.

Raul

Raul


Since you're using these things I'd like to pick your brains.

What about drivers? Does the VM use the host's drivers or do you have to install OS specific ones in each VM?

Do you need to install AV software in each VM or does the host take care of that as well?

Roy Lambert

On 10/5/2013 9:18 AM, Roy Lambert wrote:
> What about drivers? Does the VM use the host's drivers or do you have to install OS specific ones in each VM?

Below is about VMware though others do very much same thing.

The VM represents a "virtual PC" with its own virtual hardware which
generally has nothing to do with the host hardware (some exceptions here
like CPU is "passed thru" in a native way though you can still control
allocation - like making only 1 core available to VM (out of quad core
CPU - in case of vmawre they refer to this vCPU (virtual CPU units),
similar to RAm it's passed thru but you control amount).

Other exception is USB devices and such - those you can choose to
connect either to host or VM in which case they how up as regular USB
devices and you might or might not need drivers (like most drives are
detected automatically and things like cameras,mobile devices might be
automatic or might require a driver (just like on host)).

Disk/network/grahics/etc is VM specific.

For example in my case using at System Information i'm seeing:
- System Model: VMWare Virtual Platform
- uses Phoenix BIOS
- Audio is Creative AudioPCI
- video is VMWARE SVGA II
- LAN is VMWARE Accelerated ADM PCnet Adapter
- Storage is VMWare VMSCSI and IDE is VMWAre Virtual IDE

Basically VM has it's own virtual devices and you do require drivers for
all of them same way you need on the host. In most cases the
virtualiztion solution has a driver package you simply install that has
all the required drivers. VMWare calls it VMWare Tools.

The really nice thing about this is that the VM is not completely
portable since it's not dependent on host hardware or OS at all.
VM is presented on disk as bunch of files so if you egt a new PC or need
to move your VM to another PC you just copy files over and as long as
you have a virtulization software there you can open and run your VM.

In my case i'm even copying my VMs between Win7/Win8 and OSX 10.8 and
just run without VMs having any idea where they are.

>
> Do you need to install AV software in each VM or does the host take care of that as well?

if you want it scanned then yes you do require AV installed inside VM.
It will put extra load on your system (and host since you now have 2 AV
instances running). I personally do not bother - i do not generally
browse web or otherwise do dangerous things in VM and any files i load
into it is scanned on host first. It's your call based on your usage.

Note that most VMs have various network options (usual options are NAT,
Bridged and host) which would limit your VM network exposure (NAT would
place the VMs on private net and host acts as NAT gateway so VMs can go
to lan/internet but from other PCs you have no access to VM; Bridge
makes the VM part of lan (think parallel to host from network
perspective) and host option would limit all communications to be
between host and vm only).

Where VM has been useful is that i often create a quick copy of the VM
to try out some new software or installs or such and then just delete it
after hence keeping my machines clean.

Raul

On 10/5/2013 9:55 AM, Raul wrote:
> The really nice thing about this is that the VM is not completely
> portable since it's not dependent on host hardware or OS at all.

meant "...VM is NOW completely..."

Raul

Raul wrote:

On 10/1/2013 10:54 AM, Roy Lambert wrote:
>> This has worked great. My only suggestions when going VM route are : run
>> your often used VMs from SSD and have plenty of RAM in host.
SSD is way too expensive to waste on VM storage. XE4 by itself takes what, 30GB ? Plus another 20GB for say Win 7. I just built a cheap box (~$900), x2500 cpu with 32GB ram and I run Server 2008 R2 on it with the Hypervisor to run my VMs. Who only has a couple of VMs ? I've got about twenty of them on there. Just stick in a cheap 2TB drive and you don't have to worry about having to be stingy with the drive space.

I just wish I knew how to use the stupid sysprep tool so I didn't always have to install Win 7 from scratch.

>
> How big an SSD? Remember this is just my hobby so buying a new notebook PC is going to absorb most of the budget anyway.
>

I did a quick check and most of my Vms are in the 30-40GB range each. So
you could get away with a 64GB one (will fit 1-2 VMs depending on size)
though i'd recommend 128GB SSD minimum. Over here you can pick one up
for about $100.

You can run the VMs from regular disk just fine - SSD just makes things
more snappier. If you're doing a new laptop then vendors often
overcharge for the SSD. I'd get a 7200rpm regular drive and make sure
you can later add a 2nd one.