Hi,

I have developed a software with Delphi 2006 and ElevateDB 2.03 build 23 (unicode). It has worked fine for many years but now when customers have started to install Windows 10 we have run into some problems.

Customers who have upgraded to Windows 10 report that our software has stopped working and they get the message "elevate db error". Are there any known compatibility issues with ElevateDB and Windows 10?

I know that we use an old version of the ElevateDB database, but will it help us to upgrade to the latest release of ElevateDB? Is the latest release more compatible with Windows 10 than earlier releases?

I hope somebody can help me solve this problem. I am grateful for every hint.

Best regards,
Mats Berggren
HolgerData

Hi Mats

I think you have to ask your users for the full error message(s).
Or, better still, test it yourself on a W10 computer or VM.
We can not really help without more information.

I have tested my EDB based software under W10 without any errors.

Malcolm

Mats


As Malcolm says can you get the full error message. I doubt that its going to be related to ElevateDB & Windows 10 directly. It is unlikely that Windows (10 or any other version) is going to get deep enough into an application to determine which of the third party components is causing a problem.


Roy Lambert

Mats,

<< Customers who have upgraded to Windows 10 report that our software has stopped working and they get the message "elevate db error". >>

I'm going to need the complete error message.

<< Are there any known compatibility issues with ElevateDB and Windows 10?  >>

No.

<< I know that we use an old version of the ElevateDB database, but will it help us to upgrade to the latest release of ElevateDB? Is the latest release more compatible with Windows 10 than earlier releases? >>

It shouldn't make any difference.

Tim Young
Elevate Software
www.elevatesoft.com

I'm using EDB's current build along with XE8 and have not seen any issues.  As there's been several things happening under the hood, I'd strongly suggest moving to an updated IDE as yours is about 12 versions back.

Lance

Mats Berggren wrote:

Hi,

I have developed a software with Delphi 2006 and ElevateDB 2.03 build 23 (unicode). It has worked fine for many years but now when customers have started to install Windows 10 we have run into some problems.

Customers who have upgraded to Windows 10 report that our software has stopped working and they get the message "elevate db error". Are there any known compatibility issues with ElevateDB and Windows 10?

I know that we use an old version of the ElevateDB database, but will it help us to upgrade to the latest release of ElevateDB? Is the latest release more compatible with Windows 10 than earlier releases?

I hope somebody can help me solve this problem. I am grateful for every hint.

Best regards,
Mats Berggren
HolgerData

Lance


Why would you recommend moving from an established working (apart from this issue) IDE to Embarcadero's latest bug ridden offering at a high cost and attempted trap into ongoing upgrade programme?

Roy Lambert

On 9/2/2015 2:28 AM, Roy Lambert wrote:
> Why would you recommend moving from an established working (apart from this issue) IDE to Embarcadero's latest bug ridden offering at a high cost and attempted trap into ongoing upgrade programme?

The issue (from original post) is not delphi version related but looks
like a normal file/folder access error (i.e. temp path or such) - i know
definitely have no problems running a Delhi2007 app on Win 10.

I'd have to disagree with you a bit regarding delphi though.

The cost is high if you don't get paid but if you use it for actual
business use then it's worth a consideration and once you're on
maintenance the cost is reasonable - bit over $300 per year at current
prices.

Some of the XE versions i definitely did not like but IMHO last few
releases have been very decent. Especially if you're using VCL then it's
been fairly stable for a while now.

Firemonkey and mobile is another discussions but that is becoming
useable as well (mobile at least based on me doing some proof of
concepts in it).

I live in D2007 and XE7 and find XE7 IDE to be way more stable and
productive so as a developer i much prefer it and looking forward til we
get our last major app migrated over.

Raul

Raul


>The issue (from original post) is not delphi version related but looks
>like a normal file/folder access error (i.e. temp path or such)

I have no idea if you're right but how do you come up with that from the description given? ie file/folder access error not that its not delphi. Its probably a good guess, and might even be spot on.

- i know
>definitely have no problems running a Delhi2007 app on Win 10.

I don't have any problems with the couple of D2006 compiled apps I have running on my one and only W10 (W7 on the other 4)  machine either.

>I'd have to disagree with you a bit regarding delphi though.
>
>The cost is high if you don't get paid but if you use it for actual
>business use then it's worth a consideration and once you're on
>maintenance the cost is reasonable - bit over $300 per year at current
>prices.

Well my two main apps are used by me every day as part of my business. Its just that my customer (ie me) is dead stingy. Over the years I have sold (or given away) other copies and have made c£15k from one of them.

However, I'd maintain that the cost of transitioning from D2006 is high regardless of wether you get paid or not. If you get paid then you can spread the cost over your customers or take a drop in profits. Then, I'm pretty sure, there will be the time to carry out any mods to the software and test everything.

>Some of the XE versions i definitely did not like but IMHO last few
>releases have been very decent. Especially if you're using VCL then it's
>been fairly stable for a while now.
>
>Firemonkey and mobile is another discussions but that is becoming
>useable as well (mobile at least based on me doing some proof of
>concepts in it).
>
>I live in D2007 and XE7 and find XE7 IDE to be way more stable and
>productive so as a developer i much prefer it and looking forward til we
>get our last major app migrated over.

Since I don't use it myself I can only judge from what others say about it. As with many things peoples experiences differ. What I normally do when I'm buying something from Amazon is I read the reviews and give far more weight to the negative ones on the basis that is the nasties happen to me I'll be upset. If Delphi XEnn was on sale on Amazon I have a sneaky suspicion there'd be a lot of 1 star reviews.

Roy

On 9/2/2015 10:27 AM, Roy Lambert wrote:
> I have no idea if you're right but how do you come up with that from the description given? ie file/folder access error not that its not delphi. Its probably a good guess, and might even be spot on.

Just a wild guess as there is not enough info provided. Lot of the
issues in the past have been due to the folder permissions changes from
Vista onwards though and whenever somebody says "...running fine for
many years..."  i suspect WinXP or at least a system that has not been
changed for a long time so any issues (and workarounds) from 3-4 years
ago may have been forgotten.


> Well my two main apps are used by me every day as part of my business. Its just that my customer (ie me) is dead stingy. Over the years I have sold (or given away) other copies and have made c£15k from one of them.

Everyone's situation is different hence i suggested just a consideration.

> However, I'd maintain that the cost of transitioning from D2006 is high regardless of wether you get paid or not. If you get paid then you can spread the cost over your customers or take a drop in profits. Then, I'm pretty sure, there will be the time to carry out any mods to the software and test everything.

Agreed - it's basically a new license so you're looking at $1500 for Pro
to get started. This is a lot considering most alternatives are free
(including Visual Studio now with the full version instead of Express
stuff).

However there are things also like 64bit support and such which for us
are becoming core requirement (we need to interact with some 3rd party
drivers and DLLs and once those go 64 bit we'd be dead in the water...).

Depending on what you do there might be other bits one might actually
need to use.

The other bit we're migrating old code to are generics (mostly for
collections) and it's cleaning up fair bit of code - again depends on
ones needs.


> Since I don't use it myself I can only judge from what others say about it. As with many things peoples experiences differ. What I normally do when I'm buying something from Amazon is I read the reviews and give far more weight to the negative ones on the basis that is the nasties happen to me I'll be upset. If Delphi XEnn was on sale on Amazon I have a sneaky suspicion there'd be a lot of 1 star reviews.

No doubt there are issues but XE7 has been quite good IMHO (even if you
look at EMB NGs) - main gripes are very large projects and IDE running
out of memory.  XE8 (which i don't use but have played with) had lot of
issues due to Castalia IDE plugin but you can just turn that off and
then some debugging issues (again not all people have it and fair bit of
it is 64bit debugging and such).

Firemonkey and mobile stuff has had tons of issues but that's not really
relevant for VCL developer on picking the IDE.


Raul

Raul

>Just a wild guess as there is not enough info provided.

Rats - I thought you'd come up with new diagnostics tools <vbg>

>> Well my two main apps are used by me every day as part of my business. Its just that my customer (ie me) is dead stingy. Over the years I have sold (or given away) other copies and have made c£15k from one of them.
>
>Everyone's situation is different hence i suggested just a consideration.

Yup and not everyone has such a cheapskate customer

>However there are things also like 64bit support and such which for us
>are becoming core requirement (we need to interact with some 3rd party
>drivers and DLLs and once those go 64 bit we'd be dead in the water...).

I often think that with the use some make of computers (cat video anyone) we'd have been better staying with 8bit.

That also reminds me when I worked out what it would cost me to upgrade I had to add in the cost of a couple of 3rd party components where the version I have hadn't been upgraded to XEwhatever so I'd have to buy the next version. These are ones where I've never bought the source because I couldn't do anything with it if I had it, and I couldn't afford it to start with (eg WPTools)

>The other bit we're migrating old code to are generics (mostly for
>collections) and it's cleaning up fair bit of code - again depends on
>ones needs.

There are a couple of places where I could have used generics but since I didn't and don't have them I'll just let the code keep running

>Firemonkey and mobile stuff has had tons of issues but that's not really
>relevant for VCL developer on picking the IDE.

Fear not I wasn't going anywhere near them.

Roy