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Thread Touch Support and small mobile devices
Sat, Apr 18 2015 8:11 AMPermanent Link

Doc

I read about "full touch support" of EWB2.
My EWB1 projects do have "touch support" on mobile phones in the way I can work with them, text input, click buttons etc.
Now with EWB2 projects it is basically the same BUT within a Form (I use TDialog) it is not possible to resize the form or scroll over the screen, I have to do this outside of the form.
With mobile phones having a quite small screen this is a disadvantage comparing to EWB1 projects, for the form takes most of the screen.
So I would like to have the possibility to enable this resize and scroll function within the form like I know it from EWB1 projects.
Sat, Apr 18 2015 9:10 AMPermanent Link

Uli Becker

Just wait for the final release - touch support is not finished, as you
can read in this newsgroup.

Uli
Sun, Apr 19 2015 4:55 AMPermanent Link

Doc

Uli Becker wrote:

Just wait for the final release - touch support is not finished, as you
can read in this newsgroup.
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Okay, thanks, I read about Desktop Resize and Scrollbars and One Finger Support only and things.
I hope you are right and at least you can scroll the form by tapping on it in the final release.

At the moment most of the EWB2 demo examples like
http://www.elevatesoft.com:8081/formsubmit/formsubmit.html
will not work on my iPhone5, the Sumit Button is not reachable.
Mon, Apr 20 2015 3:26 PMPermanent Link

Tim Young [Elevate Software]

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Doc,

<< My EWB1 projects do have "touch support" on mobile phones in the way I
can work with them, text input, click buttons etc.
Now with EWB2 projects it is basically the same BUT within a Form (I use
TDialog) it is not possible to resize the form or scroll over the screen, I
have to do this outside of the form. >>

I'm not sure what you mean by this.  Form's can have scrollbars, and you can
set a form to layout in any way that you want within the confines of the
browser window.

Are you referring to the inability to zoom in and out ?  If so, then this is
not recommended for mobile web applications.  I'll probably go ahead and
allow it at some point, but normally you should expect to design mobile web
applications *within the dimensions of the available screen area*, without
any zooming.

Tim Young
Elevate Software
www.elevatesoft.com
Mon, Apr 20 2015 4:43 PMPermanent Link

Doc

My iPhone offen zooms in when I tap on a TEdit control.
After that it is difficult to zoom out because it can not be done within the form. Even worse, it is not possible to scroll the form. No problem with EWB1 projects.
Have you ever tried your demo examples on an iPhone ? It is not possible to work with them because they are shown too large for the screen and you can't zoom out and you can't scroll.
Tue, Apr 21 2015 1:06 PMPermanent Link

Tim Young [Elevate Software]

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Doc,

<< My iPhone offen zooms in when I tap on a TEdit control.  After that it is
difficult to zoom out because it can not be done within the form. Even
worse, it is not possible to scroll the form. No problem with EWB1 projects.
Have you ever tried your demo examples on an iPhone ? It is not possible to
work with them because they are shown too large for the screen and you can't
zoom out and you can't scroll. >>

The demos are really not intended to be used on a limited screen size.
They're not responsive (other than centering), and you can't zoom in and out
(see my last post).

EWB 1 didn't have any touch support at all, so it punted and let the browser
do whatever it was normally going to do.  However, EWB 1 also disabled
zooming on mobile, so I'm not sure what you're describing.  I'll have to
test them out to see if I can replicate what you're seeing.

Tim Young
Elevate Software
www.elevatesoft.com
Tue, Apr 21 2015 1:26 PMPermanent Link

Doc

"Tim Young [Elevate Software]" wrote:

EWB 1 didn't have any touch support at all, so it punted and let the browser
do whatever it was normally going to do.  However, EWB 1 also disabled
zooming on mobile, so I'm not sure what you're describing.  I'll have to
test them out to see if I can replicate what you're seeing.
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I sent you an email with some links where you can see my problems using a smartphone.
Thu, Apr 23 2015 3:08 PMPermanent Link

Tim Young [Elevate Software]

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Doc,

<< I sent you an email with some links where you can see my problems using a
smartphone. >>

Okay, I see now what you're trying to get:  what you want is to be able to
size the TSurface (used to be TDesktop) to a specific size in order to force
scrollbars on the browser.  By default, the TSurface instance for the
application is initialized as positioned top/left and stretching
bottom/right, with the assumption that if you want scrollbars/scrolling,
you'll add them to your form accordingly for the areas that need to scroll.
This is more in line with the responsive requirements for mobile
applications.

I'll cover this in more detail after the release is out.  Right now I really
can't spare the time to put together a demo for you, but I'll modify the
example applications to behave like what you're expecting.

Tim Young
Elevate Software
www.elevatesoft.com

Fri, Apr 24 2015 2:55 AMPermanent Link

Doc

"Tim Young [Elevate Software]" wrote:
Okay, I see now what you're trying to get: ...
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That sounds to me like I have some exotic wishes, but I don't think so.
Meanwhile I found out that it's not just a touch problem. It ist a problem of lacking "scrollability" of EWB2 forms.
I use the EWB projects in an embedded manner on a website. And if you have a smaller browser window which doesn't take the whole site it is not possible to scroll with the mouse wheel while the cursor is over the form. This is a very annoying behavior, in my opinion the EWB forms should behave like Java applets (which I used before, but unfortunately Java applets are sort of dead due to infinite security issues and more and more restrictions) or like embedded Flash forms.
If you take your EWB2 demo:
http://www.elevatesoft.com:8081/formsubmit/formsubmit.html
an make the browser window small so that it ist smaller than the form there is no way to scroll the form using the mouse wheel an no scroll bars appear.
The old EWB1 demo:
http://www.elevatesoft.com:8080/formsubmit/formsubmit.html
does show scroll bars an scrolling by mouse wheel is possible.
At the moment I have some problems to like that new behavior of EBW2 forms.
Fri, Apr 24 2015 4:14 PMPermanent Link

Tim Young [Elevate Software]

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Doc,

<< That sounds to me like I have some exotic wishes, but I don't think so.
>>

That's not what I said.  I was simply trying to figure out what you were
asking for.

And, as I said, I will post a demo of how to do what you want as soon as I
get a chance.

Tim Young
Elevate Software
www.elevatesoft.com
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