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Thread Frustrated
Thu, Jul 19 2012 3:50 PMPermanent Link

Gerald J. Clancy, Jr.

(I inadvertently posted this to the dbisam.general forum by mistake.)

With the state legislature now asleep and Congress soon to be I now have a
window to try to use Web Builder but doing so is proving quite frustrating.
There are too many missing items, chiefly documentation, and anomolies, and
the lack of DBISAM components makes any meaninful tryout less than useful.
For example, deployment options are missing, so I'm getting 404s trying to
deploy, though I can run it in a real IE browser. I have no clue on what
data types are acceptable and not -- TDateTime, Date and Now seem not to
work. There is no language spec and the help file is missing.

It's really frustrating because I really want to do something useful here. I
see where Tim is going with this and it seems that this product will enable
me to get out from under Delphi, IntraWeb and TMS, which I've wanted to do
for years. So, if this is indeed the goal, then I'm an instant buyer because
I believe in Tim's abilities. The framework is impressive in its own right.

I have noticed by perusing the 1200 messages that there have been additional
builds. Can I get to these and, if so, where, or is it necessary to first
purchase the product?

The DBISAM issue is important because I don't want to have to start building
lots (like 60) JSON structures if the DBISAM components render this
needless. At first glance, most of the components I would use are there,
lacking only calendar/datepicker and Menu components. The latter could be
constructed out of existing components.

Somebody please advise.

Jerry
Thu, Jul 19 2012 6:35 PMPermanent Link

Walter Matte

Tactical Business Corporation


Frustration is not allowed.  Why?   Because this product is still pre-release.

It will take time to develop a rich set of components - but the basics are here.... let me not ramble...

Go to Download button at the top of ElevateSoft website - and click on the WebBuilder Icon (you have to be logged in with your user account first) you can download the latest build of WebBuilder there.  Ignore it says pre release... and just click it... you will see on the next screen the date of the build.

Menus - you will just have to use buttons or labels or images with OnCLick event to take you to do what you want that menu item to do...

Calendar - I'm sorry it is not there too - but I created a form - with a Grid and built a calendar... it is my own Date Picker... I'll posted it in examples in a day or two.

Yes this is not Delphi - this is WebBuilder - so it does not have the exact same language syntax or data types.  

Dates are simply:

Var
 MyDate : DateTime;

(No "T")

No frustration allowed... just a bit of sleuthing through the code.... documentation is coming ... and examples when they come will be received well.

Walter
Thu, Jul 19 2012 9:40 PMPermanent Link

Gerald J. Clancy, Jr.

<Walter Matte> wrote in message
news:38DCAEFF-F19E-4C34-9B85-D80902A801C0@news.elevatesoft.com...
>
> Frustration is not allowed.  Why?   Because this product is still
> pre-release.
>
> It will take time to develop a rich set of components - but the basics are
> here.... let me not ramble...>

This was fully understood and no criticism was intended. However, after
several days of trying I wasn't getting anything I would call useful done,
though it did verify the framework.

> Go to Download button at the top of ElevateSoft website - and click on the
> WebBuilder Icon (you have to be logged in with your user account first)
> you can download the latest build of WebBuilder there.  Ignore it says pre
> release... and just click it... you will see on the next screen the date
> of the build.>

You apparently have to purchase the product first.

> Menus - you will just have to use buttons or labels or images with OnCLick
> event to take you to do what you want that menu item to do...
>
> Calendar - I'm sorry it is not there too - but I created a form - with a
> Grid and built a calendar... it is my own Date Picker... I'll posted it in
> examples in a day or two.

As I implied, this is what I would do until such components were available.
Having gone down this road for a decade with IntraWeb and TMS I would much
prefer using only native (EWB) components. I'm sort of fed up with
third-party stuff even though much of it worked well.

I would, however, be very interested in seeing your DatePicker equivalent.
Would save me from having to reinvent the wheel here.

>
> Yes this is not Delphi - this is WebBuilder - so it does not have the
> exact same language syntax or data types.  >

> Dates are simply:
>
> Var
>  MyDate : DateTime;
>
> (No "T")>

I actually had smoked this out by trying it. Raul (see previous post) gave
me links to the key two sections of the manual that I was missing, types and
functions.

Thanks for responding.

Jerry
Fri, Jul 20 2012 4:31 AMPermanent Link

Matthew Jones

My understanding is that it is only available in pre-release if you pre-purchase it
too. But it is a good system, and worth persevering with. Sure, there are
differences between it and Delphi, and even when finished the documentation won't
cover everything. I suspect a wiki page with "common pitfalls" will soon pick that
up - like use DateTime instead of TDateTime (I didn't know that one).

The key is that the product itself is good and stable, and just needs that
documentation. And that's what Tim is working on.

/Matthew Jones/
Mon, Jul 23 2012 1:01 PMPermanent Link

Tim Young [Elevate Software]

Elevate Software, Inc.

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Email timyoung@elevatesoft.com

Jerry,

<< There are too many missing items, chiefly documentation, and anomolies,
and the lack of DBISAM components makes any meaninful tryout less than
useful. For example, deployment options are missing, so I'm getting 404s
trying to deploy, though I can run it in a real IE browser. I have no clue
on what data types are acceptable and not -- TDateTime, Date and Now seem
not to work. There is no language spec and the help file is missing. >>

Which build are you using ?  EWB has had deployment options for some time
now (FTP or straight file copy), and the documentation is about
half-complete, but the functions are documented here:

http://www.elevatesoft.com/manual?action=topics&id=ewb1&section=function_and_procedure_reference

and the data types are documented here:

http://www.elevatesoft.com/manual?action=viewtopic&id=ewb1&topic=Types

as well as much of the language (still a little left to do on classes and
exceptions):

http://www.elevatesoft.com/manual?action=topics&id=ewb1&section=language_reference

These are also included in the product (F1 in the IDE).

<< I have noticed by perusing the 1200 messages that there have been
additional builds. Can I get to these and, if so, where, or is it necessary
to first purchase the product? >>

Where did you get the build that you have ?  If we set you up with the first
build for evaluation purposes, then you should be able to download
additional builds.  Sam won't be removing access for "free evaluations"
until after the first release, so if you had access removed, then email Sam
(sales@elevatesoft.com) and she'll set you back up again.

<< The DBISAM issue is important because I don't want to have to start
building lots (like 60) JSON structures if the DBISAM components render this
needless. At first glance, most of the components I would use are there,
lacking only calendar/datepicker and Menu components. The latter could be
constructed out of existing components. >>

There's a video here demonstrating using a DBISAM table in the IDE's DataSet
Manager - drag and drop, a couple of lines of code, and you're done:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GUFqrwN918

and there's also a video showing how the form submittal process works here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Td6lwqnAyw

The latter is one of the example applications included with the product in
the later builds.

If you have any other questions, please let me know.

Tim Young
Elevate Software
www.elevatesoft.com
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