With the state legislature now asleep and Congress soon to be I now have a
window to try to use Web Builder but doing so is proving quite frustrating.
There are too many missing items, chiefly documentation, and anomolies, and
the lack of DBISAM components makes any meaninful tryout less than useful.
For example, deployment options are missing, so I'm getting 404s trying to
deploy, though I can run it in a real IE browser. I have no clue on what
data types are acceptable and not -- TDateTime, Date and Now seem not to
work. There is no language spec and the help file is missing.

It's really frustrating because I really want to do something useful here. I
see where Tim is going with this and it seems that this product will enable
me to get out from under Delphi, IntraWeb and TMS, which I've wanted to do
for years. So, if this is indeed the goal, then I'm an instant buyer because
I believe in Tim's abilities. The framework is impressive in its own right.

I have noticed by perusing the 1200 messages that there have been additional
builds. Can I get to these and, if so, where, or is it necessary to first
purchase the product?

The DBISAM issue is important because I don't want to have to start building
lots (like 60) JSON structures if the DBISAM components render this
needless. At first glance, most of the components I would use are there,
lacking only calendar/datepicker and Menu components. The latter could be
constructed out of existing components.

Somebody please advise.

Jerry

Jerry,

I agree that until documentation is complete it's bit tough to work with
EWB but i also believe Tim is code complete for the initial release and
working on those missing components.

I'll try to comment on some of the other items but reality is that the
product is still pre-release.

New builds are available from website if you have purchased EWB -
otehrwise Tim mentioned he is planning a trial version once it's out but
there is no ETA.

What do you mean by deployment options? It's javascript+html so all you
need to do is copy the output folder to a web server and you're done.
If you wrote a back-end web service then that needs to be deployed as
well but that is up to you depending on how and what you wrote the
service in (PHP, ASP, etc).

I'm not sure where you read about DBISAM but AFAIK there never will be
nor can there ever be DBISAM components for EWB. Since EWB is a
client-side javascript that runs inside the browser it has no file
system access (html5 web storage will help a bit but not in teh way
we're used to). Basically for now all data must be provided by the web
service and EWB has a TDataSet component to parse and easily use the
returned JSON data.

Best Tim can do is supply a EDB server and/or DBISAM server with the
built=in web server that returns JSON data - he has already done an
example one for EDB but i think full implementation is EDB v3 so you're
better off doing your own for now.

For data types and function to manipulate them i woudl suggest chking
help first :
http://www.elevatesoft.com/manual?action=viewtopic&id=ewb1&topic=Types
and
http://www.elevatesoft.com/manual?action=topics&id=ewb1&section=function_and_procedure_reference


Raul



On 7/19/2012 3:48 PM, Jerry Clancy wrote:
> With the state legislature now asleep and Congress soon to be I now have
> a window to try to use Web Builder but doing so is proving quite
> frustrating. There are too many missing items, chiefly documentation,
> and anomolies, and the lack of DBISAM components makes any meaninful
> tryout less than useful. For example, deployment options are missing, so
> I'm getting 404s trying to deploy, though I can run it in a real IE
> browser. I have no clue on what data types are acceptable and not --
> TDateTime, Date and Now seem not to work. There is no language spec and
> the help file is missing.
>
> It's really frustrating because I really want to do something useful
> here. I see where Tim is going with this and it seems that this product
> will enable me to get out from under Delphi, IntraWeb and TMS, which
> I've wanted to do for years. So, if this is indeed the goal, then I'm an
> instant buyer because I believe in Tim's abilities. The framework is
> impressive in its own right.
>
> I have noticed by perusing the 1200 messages that there have been
> additional builds. Can I get to these and, if so, where, or is it
> necessary to first purchase the product?
>
> The DBISAM issue is important because I don't want to have to start
> building lots (like 60) JSON structures if the DBISAM components render
> this needless. At first glance, most of the components I would use are
> there, lacking only calendar/datepicker and Menu components. The latter
> could be constructed out of existing components.
>
> Somebody please advise.
>
> Jerry
>

Raul,

Thanks. I responded in the webbuilder forum rather than here.

Jerry

"Raul" <raul@removethis.raul.ca> wrote in message
news:FBD68437-EB9D-4CCE-8F65-AED0B28B7DDB@news.elevatesoft.com...
> Jerry,
>
> I agree that until documentation is complete it's bit tough to work with
> EWB but i also believe Tim is code complete for the initial release and
> working on those missing components.
>
> I'll try to comment on some of the other items but reality is that the
> product is still pre-release.
>
> New builds are available from website if you have purchased EWB -
> otehrwise Tim mentioned he is planning a trial version once it's out but
> there is no ETA.
>
> What do you mean by deployment options? It's javascript+html so all you
> need to do is copy the output folder to a web server and you're done.
> If you wrote a back-end web service then that needs to be deployed as well
> but that is up to you depending on how and what you wrote the service in
> (PHP, ASP, etc).
>
> I'm not sure where you read about DBISAM but AFAIK there never will be nor
> can there ever be DBISAM components for EWB. Since EWB is a client-side
> javascript that runs inside the browser it has no file system access
> (html5 web storage will help a bit but not in teh way we're used to).
> Basically for now all data must be provided by the web service and EWB has
> a TDataSet component to parse and easily use the returned JSON data.
>
> Best Tim can do is supply a EDB server and/or DBISAM server with the
> built=in web server that returns JSON data - he has already done an
> example one for EDB but i think full implementation is EDB v3 so you're
> better off doing your own for now.
>
> For data types and function to manipulate them i woudl suggest chking help
> first :
> http://www.elevatesoft.com/manual?action=viewtopic&id=ewb1&topic=Types
> and
> http://www.elevatesoft.com/manual?action=topics&id=ewb1&section=function_and_procedure_reference
>
>
> Raul
>
>
>
> On 7/19/2012 3:48 PM, Jerry Clancy wrote:
>> With the state legislature now asleep and Congress soon to be I now have
>> a window to try to use Web Builder but doing so is proving quite
>> frustrating. There are too many missing items, chiefly documentation,
>> and anomolies, and the lack of DBISAM components makes any meaninful
>> tryout less than useful. For example, deployment options are missing, so
>> I'm getting 404s trying to deploy, though I can run it in a real IE
>> browser. I have no clue on what data types are acceptable and not --
>> TDateTime, Date and Now seem not to work. There is no language spec and
>> the help file is missing.
>>
>> It's really frustrating because I really want to do something useful
>> here. I see where Tim is going with this and it seems that this product
>> will enable me to get out from under Delphi, IntraWeb and TMS, which
>> I've wanted to do for years. So, if this is indeed the goal, then I'm an
>> instant buyer because I believe in Tim's abilities. The framework is
>> impressive in its own right.
>>
>> I have noticed by perusing the 1200 messages that there have been
>> additional builds. Can I get to these and, if so, where, or is it
>> necessary to first purchase the product?
>>
>> The DBISAM issue is important because I don't want to have to start
>> building lots (like 60) JSON structures if the DBISAM components render
>> this needless. At first glance, most of the components I would use are
>> there, lacking only calendar/datepicker and Menu components. The latter
>> could be constructed out of existing components.
>>
>> Somebody please advise.
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>