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Sun, Mar 16 2014 6:31 PM | Permanent Link |
Trevor Davis Davis Software | Can Greek text be entered to DBISAM database? I know it doesn't support
unicode, but can a computer be set up (say in Greece) so as to be able to handle Greek text? Thanks. -- Trevor Davis Davis Software www.dbsonline.com |
Sun, Mar 16 2014 9:14 PM | Permanent Link |
Raul Team Elevate | Not familiar with Greek specifically but it seems to have a codepage (1253) so if that's complere then it should fit into 8bits just fine. hence i would say yes it should work Raul On 3/16/2014 6:31 PM, Trevor Davis wrote: > Can Greek text be entered to DBISAM database? I know it doesn't support > unicode, but can a computer be set up (say in Greece) so as to be able to > handle Greek text? |
Sun, Mar 16 2014 10:56 PM | Permanent Link |
Trevor Davis Davis Software | > Not familiar with Greek specifically but it seems to have a codepage (1253)
> so if that's complere then it should fit into 8bits just fine. > hence i would say yes it should work Does one install codepages or how does one make this work? My client is in the UK and wants to open another company in Greece. He would like Greek text for the company in Greece, and I'm guessing maybe even for his UK company. Will the codepage typically already be installed on a computer in Greece? Can he install it on his computer in the UK without messing other things up? And where does one get a Greek codepage from? Thanks. -- Trevor Davis Davis Software www.dbsonline.com |
Mon, Mar 17 2014 11:52 AM | Permanent Link |
Malcolm Taylor | Hi Trevor
Windows allows users to choose their language and location for non-Unicode software. The Greek code page is built-in. Your customer just uses the Control Panel to set their preference. However, the problem with ANSI code pages is that while the ASCII set used for English is common to all code pages, the local language set only applies to the chosen page. This means that for most European languages you can mix English and one other character set. So your customer could decide to use the Greek code page for all their computers and freely exchange the data between the UK and Grece. But if one of their computers used a different code page it would display something other than Greek characters - looking like rubbish. Note also that if you use a different code page, you may find that non-ASCII characters such as the pound sterling, Euro, etc, are not available. Unicode solves (most of) these problems. Malcolm |
Mon, Mar 17 2014 3:11 PM | Permanent Link |
Trevor Davis Davis Software | |
Tue, Mar 18 2014 6:06 AM | Permanent Link |
Trevor Davis Davis Software | I tried the following on my computer (XP) and it didn't work for me.
Windows Regional and Language Options: Regional Options: Greek Languages | Details | Settings | Default input language: Greek - Greek Reboot With an application compiled by Delphi 7 (DBISAM 4.26), I could copy/paste Greek text to a customer name field, moved to next field, it looked OK, but after I saved the record and recalled it, the text was ???G??. With Delphi XE5 (DBISAM 4.37) copy/paste was OK, but just moving to the next field caused the text to change to ???G?? Here is the Greek text: ???. ????????? (Hopefully it will stay like this when I post this.. should start with K omega symbol, triangle) BTW if you try this Ctrl+C won't work because your keyboard keys will be different, so use menu options for copy and paste. -- Trevor Davis Davis Software www.dbsonline.com "Malcolm" <malcolm@spam.will.bounce> wrote in message news:34C04F46-5B8E-43DE-BB8C-83F32A24111D@news.elevatesoft.com... > Hi Trevor > > Windows allows users to choose their language and location for > non-Unicode software. > The Greek code page is built-in. > Your customer just uses the Control Panel to set their preference. > > However, the problem with ANSI code pages is that while the ASCII set > used for English is common to all code pages, the local language set > only applies to the chosen page. > > This means that for most European languages you can mix English and one > other character set. So your customer could decide to use the Greek > code page for all their computers and freely exchange the data between > the UK and Grece. But if one of their computers used a different code > page it would display something other than Greek characters - looking > like rubbish. > > Note also that if you use a different code page, you may find that > non-ASCII characters such as the pound sterling, Euro, etc, are not > available. > > Unicode solves (most of) these problems. > > Malcolm |
Tue, Mar 18 2014 8:19 AM | Permanent Link |
Malcolm Taylor | Ouch!
I have not actually used DBISAM for years. So I have resurrected an old VM from Delphi Turbo Pro days! A quick look shows that each table has an ANSI code page setting. Have you tried changing that to the Greek page for your test table? I think you have to do an alter table to change the code page. I would use DBSys for that. |
Tue, Mar 18 2014 3:36 PM | Permanent Link |
Trevor Davis Davis Software | > I have not actually used DBISAM for years.
> So I have resurrected an old VM from Delphi Turbo Pro days! Wow thanks for going to all this trouble Malcolm. > A quick look shows that each table has an ANSI code page setting. > Have you tried changing that to the Greek page for your test table? > I think you have to do an alter table to change the code page. > I would use DBSys for that. I tried that but it still doesn't work for me. I did the alter table, changed locale to Greek, alter was successful. Database System Utility v4.26 Opened the table in DSU, pasted Greek text and just got ???.???? Tried with a Delphi 7 compiled program, paste, save, open ...back to question marks. That was with Windows Regional Setting English, and also with Greek and Greek language as before + reboot. This was with Windows XP. Should I try a different computer? I have Vista on a laptop. -- Trevor Davis Davis Software www.dbsonline.com |
Tue, Mar 18 2014 6:14 PM | Permanent Link |
Malcolm Taylor | Hi Trevor
OK, I will see if I can make some time tomorrow to try it out myself. You are discovering why the industry is making the switch to Unicode. |
Wed, Mar 19 2014 12:49 AM | Permanent Link |
Trevor Davis Davis Software | Thanks Malcolm,
Here is a Word document with some Greek text for testing, sent to me by the client: www.dbsonline.com/greek.zip -- Trevor Davis Davis Software www.dbsonline.com "Malcolm" <malcolm@spam.will.bounce> wrote in message news:79DD1F73-C540-4932-9674-982CC0482F3C@news.elevatesoft.com... > Hi Trevor > > OK, I will see if I can make some time tomorrow to try it out myself. > You are discovering why the industry is making the switch to Unicode. > |
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