Tim

What will be needed at the ISP end of things?

Roy Lambert

Roy,

<< What will be needed at the ISP end of things? >>

Just a web server and back-end web application (PHP, ASP, etc.) to handle
any requests from the front-end web application.  I'll probably create
something in Delphi as a demonstration at some point and use that as a
launch ramp for doing the web interface in ElevateDB.  The beauty of EWB,
though, is that you don't need your PHP, etc. application to generate any
HTML to send to the client, just raw data in JSON, XML, or simple key-value
format.  The back-end web application simply serves as the conduit between
the database server(s) and the front-end.

--
Tim Young
Elevate Software
www.elevatesoft.com

Tim


I've been meaning to redo my website for about 5 years now, just couldn't be bothered to learn WordPress so hurry up!


Roy Lambert

Roy,

<< I've been meaning to redo my website for about 5 years now, just couldn't
be bothered to learn WordPress so hurry up! >>

It might be overkill for a simple web site, but I'll have to see after the
release what people do with it.  I may just be lacking in imagination.

--
Tim Young
Elevate Software
www.elevatesoft.com

So what needs to be installed on the server?  Can it be a regular LAMP
stack? Do we also have to write a PHP app or something to send the
JSON/XML/whatever to EWB?  I'm a little confused.

I have built PHP web sites before.  I understand a web server takes
requests, but I'm missing something when you talk about back-end vs.
front-end web application and needing to send raw data.

I'm also getting the impression this could work just as well from an IIS
server with ASP.NET, right?


David Cornelius
Cornelius Concepts

Tim



><< I've been meaning to redo my website for about 5 years now, just couldn't
>be bothered to learn WordPress so hurry up! >>
>
>It might be overkill for a simple web site, but I'll have to see after the
>release what people do with it. I may just be lacking in imagination.


Probably (the overkill not the lack of imagination) but it will be a toolset I almost know rather than a brand new one. Plus it will let me have some interactive bits in. A concept that has been swirling through my head for about 10 years now.

Roy Lambert

David,

<< So what needs to be installed on the server?  Can it be a regular LAMP
stack? >>

You simply need a web server to serve up the application itself.  After
that, you will need to add the layer for dealing with accepting/sending data
to/from the EWB application, if the application requires this.  For example,
if you wrote a calculator application that runs in the browser, then you
wouldn't really need this additional code on the server.  But, for a
database application you would need this layer.

And yes, a LAMP stack would work fine.

<< Do we also have to write a PHP app or something to send the
JSON/XML/whatever to EWB?  I'm a little confused. >>

Yes, if you want the web server layer to be able to accept and send data to
the browser application, then you need to develop that layer separately.

<< I have built PHP web sites before.  I understand a web server takes
requests, but I'm missing something when you talk about back-end vs.
front-end web application and needing to send raw data. >>

A lot of times PHP is used to actually generate the content *and* markup for
the front-end.  With EWB, you don't need that anymore since the front-end
can create its own markup as needed.  So, the only thing the back-end needs
to do is send data in response to AJAX requests from the front-end EWB
application.  The front-end *can* also accept HTML markup content in
response to such requests, but it isn't normally required.

<< I'm also getting the impression this could work just as well from an IIS
server with ASP.NET, right? >>

Correct, it will work with *anything* that can deal with HTTP requests.

--
Tim Young
Elevate Software
www.elevatesoft.com

Roy,

<< Probably (the overkill not the lack of imagination) but it will be a
toolset I almost know rather than a brand new one. Plus it will let me have
some interactive bits in. A concept that has been swirling through my head
for about 10 years now. >>

It's very empowering once you start using it.  The browser stops being a
black box, and become instantly relatable to what you already know.

--
Tim Young
Elevate Software
www.elevatesoft.com

Very intriguing.  I'm going to have to process this for a bit.

Thanks for your explanation.

David Cornelius
Cornelius Concepts

It sounds really good Tim.  I have a half dozen apps in mind already.  I might rewrite my client portal using EWB.

Steve