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The new web thingy |
Wed, Aug 17 2011 10:22 AM | Permanent Link |
Roy Lambert NLH Associates Team Elevate | Tim
What will be needed at the ISP end of things? Roy Lambert |
Wed, Aug 17 2011 3:05 PM | Permanent Link |
Tim Young [Elevate Software] Elevate Software, Inc. timyoung@elevatesoft.com | Roy,
<< What will be needed at the ISP end of things? >> Just a web server and back-end web application (PHP, ASP, etc.) to handle any requests from the front-end web application. I'll probably create something in Delphi as a demonstration at some point and use that as a launch ramp for doing the web interface in ElevateDB. The beauty of EWB, though, is that you don't need your PHP, etc. application to generate any HTML to send to the client, just raw data in JSON, XML, or simple key-value format. The back-end web application simply serves as the conduit between the database server(s) and the front-end. -- Tim Young Elevate Software www.elevatesoft.com |
Thu, Aug 18 2011 3:17 AM | Permanent Link |
Roy Lambert NLH Associates Team Elevate | Tim
I've been meaning to redo my website for about 5 years now, just couldn't be bothered to learn WordPress so hurry up! Roy Lambert |
Thu, Aug 18 2011 3:14 PM | Permanent Link |
Tim Young [Elevate Software] Elevate Software, Inc. timyoung@elevatesoft.com | Roy,
<< I've been meaning to redo my website for about 5 years now, just couldn't be bothered to learn WordPress so hurry up! >> It might be overkill for a simple web site, but I'll have to see after the release what people do with it. I may just be lacking in imagination. -- Tim Young Elevate Software www.elevatesoft.com |
Fri, Aug 19 2011 12:51 AM | Permanent Link |
David Cornelius Cornelius Concepts | So what needs to be installed on the server? Can it be a regular LAMP
stack? Do we also have to write a PHP app or something to send the JSON/XML/whatever to EWB? I'm a little confused. I have built PHP web sites before. I understand a web server takes requests, but I'm missing something when you talk about back-end vs. front-end web application and needing to send raw data. I'm also getting the impression this could work just as well from an IIS server with ASP.NET, right? David Cornelius Cornelius Concepts |
Fri, Aug 19 2011 3:02 AM | Permanent Link |
Roy Lambert NLH Associates Team Elevate | Tim
><< I've been meaning to redo my website for about 5 years now, just couldn't >be bothered to learn WordPress so hurry up! >> > >It might be overkill for a simple web site, but I'll have to see after the >release what people do with it. I may just be lacking in imagination. Probably (the overkill not the lack of imagination) but it will be a toolset I almost know rather than a brand new one. Plus it will let me have some interactive bits in. A concept that has been swirling through my head for about 10 years now. Roy Lambert |
Fri, Aug 19 2011 2:27 PM | Permanent Link |
Tim Young [Elevate Software] Elevate Software, Inc. timyoung@elevatesoft.com | David,
<< So what needs to be installed on the server? Can it be a regular LAMP stack? >> You simply need a web server to serve up the application itself. After that, you will need to add the layer for dealing with accepting/sending data to/from the EWB application, if the application requires this. For example, if you wrote a calculator application that runs in the browser, then you wouldn't really need this additional code on the server. But, for a database application you would need this layer. And yes, a LAMP stack would work fine. << Do we also have to write a PHP app or something to send the JSON/XML/whatever to EWB? I'm a little confused. >> Yes, if you want the web server layer to be able to accept and send data to the browser application, then you need to develop that layer separately. << I have built PHP web sites before. I understand a web server takes requests, but I'm missing something when you talk about back-end vs. front-end web application and needing to send raw data. >> A lot of times PHP is used to actually generate the content *and* markup for the front-end. With EWB, you don't need that anymore since the front-end can create its own markup as needed. So, the only thing the back-end needs to do is send data in response to AJAX requests from the front-end EWB application. The front-end *can* also accept HTML markup content in response to such requests, but it isn't normally required. << I'm also getting the impression this could work just as well from an IIS server with ASP.NET, right? >> Correct, it will work with *anything* that can deal with HTTP requests. -- Tim Young Elevate Software www.elevatesoft.com |
Fri, Aug 19 2011 2:28 PM | Permanent Link |
Tim Young [Elevate Software] Elevate Software, Inc. timyoung@elevatesoft.com | Roy,
<< Probably (the overkill not the lack of imagination) but it will be a toolset I almost know rather than a brand new one. Plus it will let me have some interactive bits in. A concept that has been swirling through my head for about 10 years now. >> It's very empowering once you start using it. The browser stops being a black box, and become instantly relatable to what you already know. -- Tim Young Elevate Software www.elevatesoft.com |
Sat, Aug 20 2011 2:17 AM | Permanent Link |
David Cornelius Cornelius Concepts | Very intriguing. I'm going to have to process this for a bit.
Thanks for your explanation. David Cornelius Cornelius Concepts |
Sat, Aug 20 2011 10:12 PM | Permanent Link |
Steve Gill | It sounds really good Tim. I have a half dozen apps in mind already. I might rewrite my client portal using EWB.
Steve |
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