Hi Tim,

SINGLE-USER ONLY??????
I hope you intend that a lot of user (maybe 200) can connect to a server
that manage in exclusive the single-file, true?  (I intend thid as a
multiuser C/S)  
Please where I can find planned features and a roadmap for EDB 3 ?
I have seen Elevate Web Builder. Ok, good. But please, use full resources
for EDB 3 release, first.....
Thanks in advance!
Good Job



"Tim Young [Elevate Software]" <timyoung@elevatesoft.com> ha scritto nel
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> Roy,
>
> << Is V3 going to be f/s and c/s or just c/s? >>
>
> The single-file architecture will be C-S/single-user only, no multi-user
> access.  However, there will be an option for automatically finding
> servers on the network, so multi-user, file-sharing will move pretty
> easily over to this architecture with the added benefits of more stability
> and better performance.
>
> --
> Tim Young
> Elevate Software
> www.elevatesoft.com
>

Stefano,

The way i understood this there will be C/S multi-user or single-user only for local file-share access (basically his dropping multi-user local file access model).Therefore if you need to do multi-user then use C/S.

I don't think there is a roadmap published yet. The online version does not cover v3 yet (http://www.elevatesoft.com/roadmap?category=edb) so we'll have to wait for Tim.

Raul



"Stefano Monterisi" wrote:

Hi Tim,

SINGLE-USER ONLY??????
I hope you intend that a lot of user (maybe 200) can connect to a server
that manage in exclusive the single-file, true?  (I intend thid as a
multiuser C/S)  
Please where I can find planned features and a roadmap for EDB 3 ?
I have seen Elevate Web Builder. Ok, good. But please, use full resources
for EDB 3 release, first.....
Thanks in advance!
Good Job

Stefano



>SINGLE-USER ONLY??????
>I hope you intend that a lot of user (maybe 200) can connect to a server
>that manage in exclusive the single-file, true? (I intend thid as a
>multiuser C/S)

Unless you allow file/server access as well this is what you currently have with client/server.

Roy Lambert [Team Elevate]

Stefano,

<< SINGLE-USER ONLY?????? >>

No, single-user and multi-user, just no multi-user, file-sharing.

<< I hope you intend that a lot of user (maybe 200) can connect to a server
that manage in exclusive the single-file, true?  (I intend thid as a
multiuser C/S)  >>

Sure, EDB can already do that many users.

<< I have seen Elevate Web Builder. Ok, good. But please, use full resources
for EDB 3 release, first.....>>

Well, the general idea is EWB will be released in October, with EDB 3.0
coming after that.  As I said on my blog post on the web site, the whole
purpose of EWB is make Elevate Software, as a whole, stronger, which is a
good thing for all of our products.  I will probably hand off EWB to a new
developer after the release, though, since I'll be getting stretched too
thin at that point.

--
Tim Young
Elevate Software
www.elevatesoft.com

<<Well, the general idea is EWB will be released in October, with EDB 3.0
coming after that.  As I said on my blog post on the web site, the whole
purpose of EWB is make Elevate Software, as a whole, stronger, which is a
good thing for all of our products.>>

And if I understand things correctly, the EDB 3.0 server uses some elements of EWB for its web interface, so this means that EWB needs to be released first.

OK, Tim.
I already use Intraweb, UNigui and other for "browser" oriented
applications. But all have problems on fetching data incrementally,
especially in grids and lookup. I need a perfect "standalone like" grids and
lookup in browser, that load data incrementally and in "chunck", so I can
realize in browser the same approach of desktop application (for ex.: with
100.000 records I don't have to paging data on screen, or hangup if I load
all records at once); I need the same "dinamic chunck load"  of data that
EDB use, but in browser. I hope EWB can use this approach. Sorry for my
english.
Good Job.
Stefano


"Tim Young [Elevate Software]" <timyoung@elevatesoft.com> ha scritto nel
messaggio news:DC6C3595-8985-4C2B-B166-3AAFFD67526A@news.elevatesoft.com...
> Stefano,
>
> << SINGLE-USER ONLY?????? >>
>
> No, single-user and multi-user, just no multi-user, file-sharing.
>
> << I hope you intend that a lot of user (maybe 200) can connect to a
> server that manage in exclusive the single-file, true?  (I intend thid as
> a
> multiuser C/S)  >>
>
> Sure, EDB can already do that many users.
>
> << I have seen Elevate Web Builder. Ok, good. But please, use full
> resources for EDB 3 release, first.....>>
>
> Well, the general idea is EWB will be released in October, with EDB 3.0
> coming after that.  As I said on my blog post on the web site, the whole
> purpose of EWB is make Elevate Software, as a whole, stronger, which is a
> good thing for all of our products.  I will probably hand off EWB to a new
> developer after the release, though, since I'll be getting stretched too
> thin at that point.
>
> --
> Tim Young
> Elevate Software
> www.elevatesoft.com
>

Tim Young [Elevate Software] wrote:

> Single-user applications are not an issue - they can work just fine
> with an embedded engine.

So, for my stand-alone apps EDB3 will work much as EDB2, ie with no
server required, just an engine and local session?

But my main app, currently using f/s, will have to switch to c/s to
allow the data to be accessed by multiple instances?

So I need to experiment with c/s .. already run the tutorial with
success (of course).

The next question is, can I just fire up the server, then in the EDB
Manager, change an existing session from local to remote (and a few
other settings) to have the existing database (with data) managed by
the server.  Sounds far too easy so I was scared to try it.  

Finally, for now, if the app is running on a stand-alone machine with
no network connection and so no network support, will the server work
(needs tcpip!) or do I have to flip back to serverless mode in this
case?

Malcolm

Stefano,

<< I already use Intraweb, UNigui and other for "browser" oriented
applications. But all have problems on fetching data incrementally,
especially in grids and lookup. I need a perfect "standalone like" grids and
lookup in browser, that load data incrementally and in "chunck", so I can
realize in browser the same approach of desktop application (for ex.: with
100.000 records I don't have to paging data on screen, or hangup if I load
all records at once); I need the same "dinamic chunck load"  of data that
EDB use, but in browser. I hope EWB can use this approach. >>

Initially, there won't be any data bindings in EWB.  However, you will be
able to accomplish what you want as long as you have the web services
provider on the web server return data in "pages".  Then, it's a simple
matter to pop the data into an EWB grid.

A later version of EWB will provide "dataset" type of functionality with
bindings.  I'm trying to keep the scope of the initial release manageable,
and work up to something more extensive as the product progresses.

--
Tim Young
Elevate Software
www.elevatesoft.com

Malcolm,

<< So, for my stand-alone apps EDB3 will work much as EDB2, ie with no
server required, just an engine and local session? >>

Correct.

<< But my main app, currently using f/s, will have to switch to c/s to allow
the data to be accessed by multiple instances? >>

Correct.  However, the whole things won't be much different than what you
have now, apart from the fact that you'll need to run an additional process,
the EDB Server, on the "file server".

<< The next question is, can I just fire up the server, then in the EDB
Manager, change an existing session from local to remote (and a few
other settings) to have the existing database (with data) managed by the
server.  Sounds far too easy so I was scared to try it.   >>

Yes.  EDB is very easy to switch back and forth like that because all
databases, etc. use logical identifiers and all of the "location"
information is in the database, store, and module definitions in the
configuration.  In the case of your single-user application being on the
same machine as the EDB Server, it's as simple as making sure that the EDB
Server points to the same configuration path as your application, and that's
it.

<< Finally, for now, if the app is running on a stand-alone machine with no
network connection and so no network support, will the server work (needs
tcpip!) or do I have to flip back to serverless mode in this case? >>

If there isn't any network connection at all, then no, the EDB Server won't
work.  It requires Winsock (TCP/IP) and a valid network connection to the
LAN/WAN in order to be able to accept connections and serve up data.

--
Tim Young
Elevate Software
www.elevatesoft.com

Tim Young [Elevate Software] wrote:
>
> If there isn't any network connection at all, then no, the EDB Server
> won't work.  It requires Winsock (TCP/IP) and a valid network
> connection to the LAN/WAN in order to be able to accept connections
> and serve up data.

OK, thanks for the confirmation.  I already check for 'A_Lan' in order
to switch between local path or \\server\share to the database so I can
obviously use the same to decide whether to use a server.  Naturally
each host can have a local instance of the server but the users can
elect to switch  to a remote host's server in order to 'share' data.
All that remains is to discover the best way for such a user to make
their local server's database identical to the remote database (the app
has that requirement).  

Malcolm