I suspect that this is just Word being nice and allowing you to have .rtf stored as
..doc. But who knows, Google says that you could get the Default save format to RTF
at times.

/Matthew Jones/

> standardized

Hmm, I don't think they are really any sort of standard, but they are just "open".
That is, you can look at them, read them, write them. But they have very much
Office related data. Things like styles and number sequences are all based on the
Word capabilities. If your application does them differently, you'll have trouble
using the formats.

This is rather off topic though, so I'll stop now.

/Matthew Jones/

On 4/4/2014 11:49 AM, (Matthew Jones) wrote:
> Hmm, I don't think they are really any sort of standard, but they are just "open".

AFAIK it's ISO/IEC 29500 (and the controversy part was around MS pushing
them through ISO process ).


> That is, you can look at them, read them, write them. But they have very much
> Office related data. Things like styles and number sequences are all based on the
> Word capabilities. If your application does them differently, you'll have trouble
> using the formats.

You might be right as i have not really worked with them direct

Raul

Roy, Here's the link:
http://www.infoworld.com/t/microsoft-windows/microsofts-kb-2953095-word-security-hole-part-of-ongoing-embarrassment-239026?source=IFWNLE_nlt_daily_pm_2014-03-25

You're one guy I thought might have tried EWB.

Jerry

"Roy Lambert" <roy@lybster.me.uk> wrote in message
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> Jerry
>
> I can't help you with your question (downloaded but never used EWB) but
>
>
>>Then last week it was announced that there was a security update from
>>Microsoft for all versions of Word which, when applied, will nullify all
>>RTF
>>support in Word. In other words, RTF is dead! It is not viable to offer
>>clients an alternate reader when they already have Word. (Many of you may
>>not actually be aware of this.)
>
> Do you have a link for this?
>
> Roy

You are correct, Matt. In fact, RTF is brace-crazy.

Jerry

"Matthew Jones" <matthew@matthew-jones.com> wrote in message
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>>  -.doc files are in rtf format.
>
> No, they aren't. RTF may follow the Microsoft internal document format
> closely, but
> they are pure text, and a .Doc file is binary. I've just done a quick
> check, and a
> .Doc file I have here starts with hex
> D0 Cf 11 E0 A1 B1 1A E1 00 00 00 00 00 ...
>
> RTF starts with a { brace if I recall correctly. (I did a significant
> import and
> export to RTF some years ago, so still shudder at it...)
>
> /Matthew Jones/

I generate pure RTF files to a .rtf extension. Word will open and edit these
and save them back to the RTF extension and format. If, however, I generate
pure RTF but give it a .doc extension, Word will do the same thing but, in
the case of Word 2010 anyway, if you do a SaveAs it will want to save it as
an .rtf. If you do and do a notepad list of the file you will see the RTF
code, braces and all. If, however, you save that .rtf file to .doc format
then Word will convert it to a true binary Word file.

Jerry

"Roy Lambert" <roy@lybster.me.uk> wrote in message
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> Matthew / Raul
>
>
> I've just had a quick trawl through some of the cvs I have on file with a
> .doc extension. Some are binary some are rtf. I could probably figure out
> a cutover point if I worked at it but just because a file extension is
> .doc does not mean that its in Microsoft's propriety format.
>
> Roy Lambert
>

Jerry


I intended to and still intend to. I've just been spending a lot of time on my recruitment app, moveing it away from the TMS component suite which in some cases meant writing my own components and that takes a lot of time.

A colleague persuaded me I should try and sell it (I have sold a few copies but nothing real) so I've been altering it to give a free, personal and team editions which ended up taking a lot more time than I imagined it would

The other factor is that since I do this as a hobby I have to wait for something that interests me to come along so I can work on it.

Any suggestions for projects?

Roy Lambert

> > Hmm, I don't think they are really any sort of standard, but they
> are just "open".
>
> AFAIK it's ISO/IEC 29500 (and the controversy part was around MS
> pushing them through ISO process ).

Okay, technically it is a standard, but it is based on how Office works, not
designed by a committee wanting to work out an ideal format for office documents.
Probably a good thing, but it isn't particularly useful for anyone else unless you
want to do the same detailed internals as Office, which of course you end up having
to do.

/Matthew Jones/

Jerry,

<< 1. Can I use it as a replacement for thses apps? >>

Yes, you could use the included EWB Web Server and use all of your existing
ISAPI Delphi code with the EWB Web Server modules:

http://www.elevatesoft.com/manual?action=topics&id=ewb1mod&product=rsdelphi&version=XE&section=getting_started

(Delphi XE or higher required).

A lot of the things that you have to code manually with ISAPI modules, such
as MIME part handling and Unicode/UTF-8 conversion, is done for you with the
EWB Web Server modules.  There will be some more automation with the modules
in EWB 2.x also, making things like generating JSON from existing Delphi
components easier.

<< 2. Are its components broad enough and up to the task? >>

This is the single biggest issue with EWB today, and something that EWB 2.x
will solve very nicely.  EWB 2.x is a *lot* more flexible in terms of UI
creation/design.

If you have any other questions, please let me know.

Tim Young
Elevate Software
www.elevatesoft.com

Not off the top, Roy. What I have been finding, though, is an absolute
paucity of documentation and examples of using the Word 2010 and 2013
TWordApplication properties, methods and events in Delphi. What does exist
is either in VB or C.

As for TMS, now that I've decided to stay the course, as it were, and
upgrade IntraWeb, I'm considering one last upgrade of the IW TMS components.
They have a much more modern look than the D5 set I've been stuck with for
so long. And, more importantly, the added IWAdvMessageDialog and HTML
Editor, and TreeView components would be most useful. The Advanced Grids
that I have used for years are alone almost worth the price of admission.

Jerry

"Roy Lambert" <roy@lybster.me.uk> wrote in message
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> Jerry
>
>
> I intended to and still intend to. I've just been spending a lot of time
> on my recruitment app, moveing it away from the TMS component suite which
> in some cases meant writing my own components and that takes a lot of
> time.
>
> A colleague persuaded me I should try and sell it (I have sold a few
> copies but nothing real) so I've been altering it to give a free, personal
> and team editions which ended up taking a lot more time than I imagined it
> would
>
> The other factor is that since I do this as a hobby I have to wait for
> something that interests me to come along so I can work on it.
>
> Any suggestions for projects?
>
> Roy Lambert
>