I have been using VMWare for about 3 years now.  Out of curiosity I
installed Virtual PC and after about
5 minutes I wiped it clean off my hard drive.  It's is a tortoise compared
to VMWare !  I run VMWare on
a Pentium IV 2 ghz and you really can't even tell you're running in a
virtual machine.

"David Cornelius" <dev@corneliusconcepts.com> wrote in message
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> I've been using Microsoft's Virtual PC (because it's free) and am
> wondering about the speed.  I only use V-PC for testing, never for
> development because it is SO FREAKING SLOW!  Granted, my machine is
> running at "only" 1.5 MHz, but it has 1.5 GB RAM, which should be plenty
> to slice up.  But I only pull it up when I absolutely have to because it
> is soooo slow.
>
> What kind of horsepower do you have?  Is VMWare much better than Virtual
> PC? I've read some of the options and it looks like a better product, but
> nothing compelling me to make want to layout the cash.  However, if the
> speed is significantly better, I'll try it out.
>
> --
> David Cornelius
> http://corneliusconcepts.com
>
> "Johnnie Norsworthy" <jln206@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:D5290EC3-66B4-4192-8C82-B8F5262B3926@news.elevatesoft.com...
>> Because I am a Elevator, I thought I'd share my experience for others
>> here with installing and using VMWare for the last three days.
>>
>> Executive Summary: Get it now. Right now. Go to the web site and download
>> it and install it now. http://vmware.com
>>
>> I installed it because my IDE install got messed up yet again and I
>> thought it would be a good time to try it. The first thing I did on my
>> computer was uninstall all of my Delphi libraries and IDE enhancements
>> for which I have regular install programs, then the two Delphi IDEs I
>> use. Then I did the same with Visual Studio. The libraries I just have in
>> folders such as ICS, VCLZIP, and others I just moved over to the VM with
>> drag and drop (yes, it works great).
>>
>> Then I created my empty operating system virtual machine. I should have
>> given it a bigger disk I found later, so I would recommend 16GB now,
>> where it increments by 2GB as needed. I used Windows Server 2003 as my
>> operating system because I had trouble getting my Windows XP installed. A
>> friend recommended Windows 2000 (smaller), but I don't have a disk
>> anymore for any 2000 OS.
>>
>> So with my initial VM created, I did all the Windows updates and
>> installed all my tweaks for W2K3. Now I have a blank VM completely
>> updated and ready to clone for installing an IDE - which is what I did
>> next. I install three IDEs in three separate VMs. I keep all of my
>> program code as a shared folder on my primary hard drive.
>>
>> So what's so cool about all this? Each of these VMs is just a folder on
>> your hard drive. You can back them up easily and know for a fact that
>> your IDE will always be usable and have a quick recovery point. You can
>> also clone you base IDE and create specialized versions, removing things
>> you will never use for certain projects. And since you don't have
>> everything and the kitchen sink installed in each VM, they are quick to
>> start (boot) and stop.
>>
>> I'm sure I haven't yet touched on all the coolness of this product, but
>> for a new user I can certainly say I am very happy so far. Trust me - get
>> it.
>>
>> -Johnnie
>> (spamming for those that have no reason to ever need to spam)
>>
>>
>>
>
>

>> I've been using Microsoft's Virtual PC (because it's free)
VMWare Server is also free.

>>Is VMWare much better than Virtual PC?
I use VMWare Workstation at my day job with Visual Studio installed in a VM.  We also have 25 VM servers running on 6 physical machines using
VMWare ESX.  I use VMWare Server at home for Delphi development\testing.  I gave VirtualPC a try.  I may have been biased since I was
already very familiar with the VMWare products but VirtualPC didn't compare favorably in terms of performance or polish.

Most developers on here would need VMWare Workstation.  VMWare Server will also work if you must have a no cost solution.  You can run both
under Windows.  The native OS is always available.  Of course the physical hardware would make a difference but I have Win32 Delphi and VS
2003 IDEs in VMs that preform fine.  Debugging ASP.Net in IIS is bit slower than running on physical hardware.

A big difference between VMWare Workstation & VMWare Server is that Workstation closes all running VMs when you shutdown the client.  Under
Server VMs continue to run when the viewer client is closed.  You must shutdown or pause the VMs yourself.

What (little) I know about their growing product line:
VMWare Server (now free) was previously sold as VMWare Server GSX
VMWare Workstation is the product they sell tailored for developers and testing
VMWare Virtual Infrastructure is the name changed upgrade to VMWare Server ESX
VMWare Player is free and runs VMs but can not create them
VMWare Appliances are VMs with OS & applications preinstalled

John

Johnnie,

Does this mean you can (on one machine)
-install a new VM (virtual evniroment)
-copy your Delphi enviroment (and how, with all system's paths?)
-strip and expand this new Delphi enviroment

and you can switch between the two without a lot of hassle?

Regards, Harry (new to VMware)

"Johnnie Norsworthy" <jln206@verizon.net> schreef in bericht
news:8D55060F-28F0-4074-9620-08D2225E47D7@news.elevatesoft.com...
> "Roy Lambert" <roy.lambert@skynet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:BE53FC48-08E8-4979-B639-09BF5A8BDCA9@news.elevatesoft.com...
> > A different solution but I use Norton Ghost, not as cool, but I
generally
> > create a Ghost when I've installed / upgraded some major component.
> > Anything screws up, restore from Ghost - c25 mins.
>
> The cool thing is that it is a whole simple operating system install, so
you
> can continue adding and removing stuff from your normal OS, and your IDE
OS
> will be clean and safe.
>
> Right now I am creating a special VM with an older version of Delphi just
> for coding for a new customer. He has specific libraries and applications
> used for all of his programs. I'll be able to yank out any component
> libraries we don't need to streamline the IDE perfectly.
>
> I haven't got into the multiple OS versions for testing my applications
yet
> and don't really think I will in the near future. Too many other things to
> do right now.
>
> I still can't say enough nice things about it: http://vmware.com
>
> -Johnnie
>
>

I have always been curious as to why you would run multiple servers on
one machine. What is the advantage or purpose of that?

Jim Margarit

 ps. did you know that it's a license violation to install Vista Home
Premium in a virtual machine. You have to use Vista Business or higher.

Aren't you glad Toyota doesn't require you to buy a car with a V8 before
they will allow you to make right turns on Saturdays?



>>> I've been using Microsoft's Virtual PC (because it's free)
> VMWare Server is also free.
>
>>> Is VMWare much better than Virtual PC?
> I use VMWare Workstation at my day job with Visual Studio installed in a VM.  We also have 25 VM servers running on 6 physical machines using
> VMWare ESX.  I use VMWare Server at home for Delphi development\testing.  I gave VirtualPC a try.  I may have been biased since I was
> already very familiar with the VMWare products but VirtualPC didn't compare favorably in terms of performance or polish.
>
> Most developers on here would need VMWare Workstation.  VMWare Server will also work if you must have a no cost solution.  You can run both
> under Windows.  The native OS is always available.  Of course the physical hardware would make a difference but I have Win32 Delphi and VS
> 2003 IDEs in VMs that preform fine.  Debugging ASP.Net in IIS is bit slower than running on physical hardware.
>
> A big difference between VMWare Workstation & VMWare Server is that Workstation closes all running VMs when you shutdown the client.  Under
> Server VMs continue to run when the viewer client is closed.  You must shutdown or pause the VMs yourself.
>
> What (little) I know about their growing product line:
> VMWare Server (now free) was previously sold as VMWare Server GSX
> VMWare Workstation is the product they sell tailored for developers and testing
> VMWare Virtual Infrastructure is the name changed upgrade to VMWare Server ESX
> VMWare Player is free and runs VMs but can not create them
> VMWare Appliances are VMs with OS & applications preinstalled
>
> John
>

"Harry de Boer" <harry@staaf.nl> wrote in message
news:A653A600-D478-4C0C-9775-93E3C459ACEA@news.elevatesoft.com...
> Johnnie,
>
> Does this mean you can (on one machine)
> -install a new VM (virtual evniroment)
> -copy your Delphi enviroment (and how, with all system's paths?)
> -strip and expand this new Delphi enviroment
>
> and you can switch between the two without a lot of hassle?

What I did was create a new OS install, then I cloned that OS for each IDE I
use. After, for example, you get Delphi 7 installed in one VM, just use that
as you base D7 IDE. Clone that one and remove or add libraries as needed for
specific projects.

Switching from one to another consists of stopping one VM and starting
another - about 30 seconds since my VMs don't have anything but specific
programming tools in each. I only run one or two simultaneously due to
memory requirements.

I am now using this type of setup for all of my IDEs, and so far no real
complaints. It really has improved my productivity and system reliability,
because I know that if I completely bugger a system, I can restore it from
my external backup drive. I keep all of my actual program code in a shared
folder in the host operating system (the real one that boots).

-Johnnie

> I have always been curious as to why you would run multiple servers on
> one machine. What is the advantage or purpose of that?

I use VMWare Workstation on my Dev PC, but I use the free Server version
for running various test machines that run 24/7 chattering to each other
occasionally. Plus I replaced an old PC running Linux to server photos
with a virtual machine. Essentially it allows a single machine to do a lot
of little tasks with dedicated VMs.

/Matthew Jones/

Thanks for the feedback.  I just may have a look!

I had problems with QuickBooks and had to install it on a virgin machine, so
used Virtual PC.  Now I hate doing my bookkeeping because it's so slow.  But
I might switch to VMWare...

Also, the idea of running Delphi in a separate session is very
appealing--especially if it means the help system in D2005 and D2006 won't
get messed up!

--
David Cornelius
http://corneliusconcepts.com

"John Taylor" <jcta@snappysoftware.com> wrote in message
news:85C6F22A-68D7-4132-9EB3-FA50AB8B36F0@news.elevatesoft.com...
>I have been using VMWare for about 3 years now.  Out of curiosity I
>installed Virtual PC and after about
> 5 minutes I wiped it clean off my hard drive.  It's is a tortoise compared
> to VMWare !  I run VMWare on
> a Pentium IV 2 ghz and you really can't even tell you're running in a
> virtual machine.

Thanks for the succinct delineation of the products.  This really helps.

(It's a lot easier than parsing through all the verbiage on the web site!)

--
David Cornelius
http://corneliusconcepts.com

"John Haynes" <jhaynes@johnhaynes.net> wrote in message
news:00586B75-3BF9-4129-9275-38CD8C98405C@news.elevatesoft.com...
>>> I've been using Microsoft's Virtual PC (because it's free)
> VMWare Server is also free.
>
>>>Is VMWare much better than Virtual PC?
> I use VMWare Workstation at my day job with Visual Studio installed in a
> VM.  We also have 25 VM servers running on 6 physical machines using
> VMWare ESX.  I use VMWare Server at home for Delphi development\testing.
> I gave VirtualPC a try.  I may have been biased since I was
> already very familiar with the VMWare products but VirtualPC didn't
> compare favorably in terms of performance or polish.
>
> Most developers on here would need VMWare Workstation.  VMWare Server will
> also work if you must have a no cost solution.  You can run both
> under Windows.  The native OS is always available.  Of course the physical
> hardware would make a difference but I have Win32 Delphi and VS
> 2003 IDEs in VMs that preform fine.  Debugging ASP.Net in IIS is bit
> slower than running on physical hardware.
>
> A big difference between VMWare Workstation & VMWare Server is that
> Workstation closes all running VMs when you shutdown the client.  Under
> Server VMs continue to run when the viewer client is closed.  You must
> shutdown or pause the VMs yourself.
>
> What (little) I know about their growing product line:
> VMWare Server (now free) was previously sold as VMWare Server GSX
> VMWare Workstation is the product they sell tailored for developers and
> testing
> VMWare Virtual Infrastructure is the name changed upgrade to VMWare Server
> ESX
> VMWare Player is free and runs VMs but can not create them
> VMWare Appliances are VMs with OS & applications preinstalled
>
> John
>

I see M$ just release VPC 2007.
Any comments on this, or just a new version of the same?
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/virtualpc/demo/vpcdemo.html?wt_svl=20322a&mg_id=20322b

Regards,
Scott.

"Johnnie Norsworthy" <jln206@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:D5290EC3-66B4-4192-8C82-B8F5262B3926@news.elevatesoft.com...
> Because I am a Elevator, I thought I'd share my experience for others here
> with installing and using VMWare for the last three days.
>
> Executive Summary: Get it now. Right now. Go to the web site and download
> it and install it now. http://vmware.com
>
> I installed it because my IDE install got messed up yet again and I
> thought it would be a good time to try it. The first thing I did on my
> computer was uninstall all of my Delphi libraries and IDE enhancements for
> which I have regular install programs, then the two Delphi IDEs I use.
> Then I did the same with Visual Studio. The libraries I just have in
> folders such as ICS, VCLZIP, and others I just moved over to the VM with
> drag and drop (yes, it works great).
>
> Then I created my empty operating system virtual machine. I should have
> given it a bigger disk I found later, so I would recommend 16GB now, where
> it increments by 2GB as needed. I used Windows Server 2003 as my operating
> system because I had trouble getting my Windows XP installed. A friend
> recommended Windows 2000 (smaller), but I don't have a disk anymore for
> any 2000 OS.
>
> So with my initial VM created, I did all the Windows updates and installed
> all my tweaks for W2K3. Now I have a blank VM completely updated and ready
> to clone for installing an IDE - which is what I did next. I install three
> IDEs in three separate VMs. I keep all of my program code as a shared
> folder on my primary hard drive.
>
> So what's so cool about all this? Each of these VMs is just a folder on
> your hard drive. You can back them up easily and know for a fact that your
> IDE will always be usable and have a quick recovery point. You can also
> clone you base IDE and create specialized versions, removing things you
> will never use for certain projects. And since you don't have everything
> and the kitchen sink installed in each VM, they are quick to start (boot)
> and stop.
>
> I'm sure I haven't yet touched on all the coolness of this product, but
> for a new user I can certainly say I am very happy so far. Trust me - get
> it.
>
> -Johnnie
> (spamming for those that have no reason to ever need to spam)
>
>
>

<smartin@pdq.net> wrote in message
news:F623E02C-615E-438D-A954-B39CF835CC27@news.elevatesoft.com...
>I see M$ just release VPC 2007.
> Any comments on this, or just a new version of the same?
> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/virtualpc/demo/vpcdemo.html?wt_svl=20322a&mg_id=20322b

I never tried the MS products since I had already heard of performance
issues even though I had licenses due to my MS subscriptions. Maybe I should
try it inside a VM?