Tim,

<< No one said that DBISAM was, Ole. >>

Sorry about that. The reason I replied in this thread was because Lance
quoted a couple of sentences from the NexusDB v2 SQL Reference.

<< On a related note: >>

Yes, I understand what you're saying and I'll respect it.

Ole

Ole,

<< Sorry about that. The reason I replied in this thread was because Lance
quoted a couple of sentences from the NexusDB v2 SQL Reference. >>

I didn't have a problem with you replying to Lance, but rather that you
dragged DBISAM's SQL conformance (or lack thereof) into it.

<< Yes, I understand what you're saying and I'll respect it. >>

Thank you.  What you have to contribute is certainly valuable in a lot of
ways, but there is a time and place for everything, and the majority of
these types of discussions can take place in the General Discussion
newsgroup.

--
Tim Young
Elevate Software
www.elevatesoft.com

Ole,

Turn the flame down.  No flame was intended.

When I did a search on SQL-2003, looking for standards info, this is
what had popped up.

If NexusDB supports SQL-2003... great.  If it's currently the most core
compliant SQL-2003 product.  Kudo's to them. It was not meant to promote
or demote NexusDB.

I simply wanted to have a grasp of which standards to "bone up on" for
the upcoming product.

I've looked at both products and made my own preference choice of which
product I prefer for my current needs.  Hence, why the majority (which
is very few) posts happen to reside in this newsgroup which is for
support of Elevate products.


Lance




Ole Willy Tuv wrote:
> Lance,
>
> << I noticed that Nexus has some wording with their reference to SQL-2003.
>  >>
>
> I don't know what you're hinting at by coping NexusDB reference material
> here, but as the author of the NexusDB v2 SQL Reference, I can tell you that
> NexusDB SQL is exactly what it claims - a very compliant implementation of
> SQL:2003. To my knowledge, no RDBMS is as far to SQL:2003 Core SQL
> compliance as NexusDB v2 is currently. I don't know what ElevatDB brings,
> but DBISAM SQL is certainly far from it.
>
> Ole Willy Tuv
>
>
>

Hello Tim,

> I tolerate your postings on these newsgroups out of a sense of
> intellectual discussion, but your postings are starting to push
> things.  These newsgroups are for support purposes for existing
> customers *that actively use DBISAM* and need help with something.
> When you post messages here that aren't for that purpose, you waste
> my time and the time of other customers.  This isn't your personal
> place to come and stir things up by evangelizing on the conformance
> or non-conformance of our SQL implementation.  If you have a support
> question, then feel free to post any message that you like.  But if
> you do not, then refrain from posting or keep it in the General
> Discussion newsgroup.

I think here that you're a bit unfair to Ole. You may know well that Ole
pushed you to make DBISAM a much better product (in the terms of speed,
beta testing, ideas etc ...) He also helped out a lot of DBISAM
customers in these newsgroups. I and other people in the newsgroup and
Ole too are pushing you for more things in your next product. Know why ?
Why we want the best and we have a believe on you. I trully
believe that any product have success if you "hear" your customers,
friends, anyones suggestions and start to work on them. This is
making everyone happy. Making everyone happy resulting in more
customer which more customers means more profit and more profit
mean etc etc etc.

My suggestion ? Make not a Poll but Polls!

Eg.
You want VarChar Support in ElevateDB ?
You want SQL 2003 Support in ElevateDB ?
You want xxx in ElevateDB ?

Then let your customers choose what the really want.
You must give a motive for someone to upgrade.
What's this motive ? Maybe a feature than DBISAM v4 didn't have.
Like ? VarChar support or Unicode Support or whatever.

Please, don't misunderstand my post. I really think that
you're making an awesome job by yourself (since Eryk left)
and i can understand that sometimes customers requests may
break you "plans". What i do ? Before i begin to make
the next version of my application i'm asking from my
customers for what they need to see in the next version.

Thank you

--
Charalabos Michael - [Creation Power] - http://www.creationpower.com -
http://www.creationpower.gr

Michael,

<< [re Ole] He also helped out a lot of DBISAM customers in these newsgroups. >>

I have to agree with you. And Ole is an SQL expert. I've watched him on another newsgroup,
tweaking the tail of those poor Nexus developers and infuriating them in his relentless search
for a "faster, better SQL" implementation.

I think we should welcome Ole to the DBISAM newsgroup. He's great fun *and* a
constant help not only in finding bugs but also in suggesting SQL solutions.

Regards,
Dan

Michael,

<< [re Ole] He also helped out a lot of DBISAM customers in these newsgroups. >>

I have to agree with you. And Ole is an SQL expert. I've watched him on another newsgroup,
tweaking the tail of those poor Nexus developers and infuriating them in his relentless search
for a "faster, better SQL" implementation.

I think we should welcome Ole to the DBISAM newsgroup. He's great fun *and* a
constant help not only in finding bugs but also in suggesting SQL solutions.

Regards,
Dan

Dan Rootham wrote:
> Michael,
>
> << [re Ole] He also helped out a lot of DBISAM customers in these newsgroups. >>
>
> I have to agree with you. And Ole is an SQL expert. I've watched him on another newsgroup,
> tweaking the tail of those poor Nexus developers and infuriating them in his relentless search
> for a "faster, better SQL" implementation.
>
> I think we should welcome Ole to the DBISAM newsgroup. He's great fun *and* a
> constant help not only in finding bugs but also in suggesting SQL solutions.
>
> Regards,
> Dan
>

As a longtime lurker/very infrequent poster here I have seen Ole's posts
for years. In the past he was a definite asset to the newsgroup. He
seemed to disappear for a while and now he's back but has changed. He
used to offer constructive criticism and even cheerleading but now
focuses more on just the criticism with a hint of agenda.

You have to have a really thick skin to not let criticism of your
product become criticism of yourself.

Jim Margarit

Hello People,

> As a longtime lurker/very infrequent poster here I have seen Ole's posts
> for years. In the past he was a definite asset to the newsgroup. He
> seemed to disappear for a while and now he's back but has changed. He
> used to offer constructive criticism and even cheerleading but now
> focuses more on just the criticism with a hint of agenda.
>
> You have to have a really thick skin to not let criticism of your
> product become criticism of yourself.

Ole is just like me. He wants the best of the best. Also we want
to use the latest standard available. When Ole Suggested to Tim
for SQL 2003 in ElevateDB was because he wanted ElevateDB to be
better than other Database Engines that uses the SQL 92 standard.

In 2006 going to 2007, standards are changing so any new product
much be upgraded to support the new Standards (like borland did
with .NET) either used by developer either new. Most of the new
application gives better fuctionality and enchaments. See Windows
Vista. Microsoft coders re-code from scratch many place of the
Oparating System to support new Standards and to be competitive
with the rest of Operating System. Someone choose a database for
particular reason like: to be stable, to has many helpful things,
to be extremly fast, to use Standards (so to be easier to migrate
to another Database etc. etc.). If i was Tim that starting to coding
a new Database Engine i would probably include what competitive
Database Engines have and also to have the latest standards on it.

What's i see is that Ole worked for Nexus DB v2 and helped them out
to make and extremly good Database Engine but he didn't stay on that
he also suggesting to DBISAM (a competitive product) to be helped out
in the market suggesting features. Now if Ole didn't want to help out
DBISAM/ElevateDB he wouldn't post in here at all!

I really like and i'm very happy with DBISAM but since
i'm wanting features that DBISAM don't have i'll start
evaluating alternative Database Engine. Tim is a very nice
and cool guy. He listen to customer's request but the problem
is that sometimes he's overloading with other stuff and
can't think clear.

My suggestion to TIM.
Collect all user requests from your customers, then
put up on your web site with the features and let
the people decide which they want to be implement first.

Then you can start up implementing the most popular requests
and later add the less popular.

I'm currently have a Dental Technican application. Soon (as
elevatedb get's into final stages) i would start to make the
next version. Before starting i'll make a call to all my few
customer to tell me what they want in the next version. I'll
keep them up to a file and start to implement what the most
people want first and later add the most less requested. If it's
possible i would try to implement them all. Why ? Because i develope
and customers use. I don't use my own programs (except the personals
that i made for my self), customer do. So listening to my customer
and implementing their wishes will make them to upgrade to my next
version. From this i'll be benefit too because as many people upgrade
will result in much economical profit for me.

So implementing SQL Ansi 2003 standard on ElevateDB will give
a good image and motive for the developer to buy and/or upgrade
the Database Engine <but it will not only be that that it will
dudje a database engine>).

Think that the purpose of buying a product is not for now but
for the future use to.

See Windows 98 and Windows Millenium. Most of the customers
prefered Windows 98SE becasue Windows Millenium didn't offered
something new that they needed to upgrade. On the other side
Windows XP offered many new things that many decided to upgrade
from Windows 98!

Also Take a look on Windows Vista will also offer many new things that
many people will want and be happy to upgrade. (like better system
perfomance and TCP/IP perfomance, IPv6 Support (this is for the future),
much better security, extremly better user interface and technology
support and the best of all for me ?

I also see that developers at microsoft are really listening to the
customers requesta (for the beta testers)! (which they didn't until now)

That's my opinion.

--
Charalabos Michael - [Creation Power] - http://www.creationpower.com -
http://www.creationpower.gr

Michael,

<< I think here that you're a bit unfair to Ole. You may know well that Ole
pushed you to make DBISAM a much better product (in the terms of speed, beta
testing, ideas etc ...) He also helped out a lot of DBISAM customers in
these newsgroups. I and other people in the newsgroup and Ole too are
pushing you for more things in your next product. Know why ? Why we want the
best and we have a believe on you. I trully believe that any product have
success if you "hear" your customers, friends, anyones suggestions and start
to work on them. This is making everyone happy. Making everyone happy
resulting in more customer which more customers means more profit and more
profit mean etc etc etc. >>

I understand what you're saying, but you're also missing some history that I
won't go in to publicly.  All I will say is that Ole has definitely helped
us out immensely in the past, and I've always indicated how much I
appreciated it at the time.

<< Please, don't misunderstand my post. I really think that you're making an
awesome job by yourself (since Eryk left) and i can understand that
sometimes customers requests may break you "plans". What i do ? Before i
begin to make the next version of my application i'm asking from my
customers for what they need to see in the next version. >>

That's not it at all.  The issue is that the product isn't done, hence it is
counter-productive to sit here and hash out the various opinions about what
everyone wants.  It doesn't accomplish anything other than to distract from
the task at hand - getting the product done.  Once the product is done, then
we can discuss what everyone does or doesn't like.

--
Tim Young
Elevate Software
www.elevatesoft.com

Dan,

<< I have to agree with you. And Ole is an SQL expert. I've watched him on
another newsgroup, tweaking the tail of those poor Nexus developers and
infuriating them in his relentless search for a "faster, better SQL"
implementation. >>

I understand what you're saying, but we cannot tolerate serious disruptions
like what went on over there.  We don't have the resources to do so.  In
addition, there are ways to be helpful with criticisms, and there are ways
to simply be a nuisance, and sometimes it is easy to cross the line from one
to the other.

--
Tim Young
Elevate Software
www.elevatesoft.com