Roy,

<< Yeah and one of those solid state disks - tell Santa although I'm not
sure just how hi-tech he is >>

I'm afraid to get one of those.  It's like once you switch to broadband from
a modem - there's no going back.

<< One of the main issues seems to revolve around project groups - the IDE
eats memory until it crashes, >>

I have seen that one, but luckily I can make it a couple of days before it
starts to really slow down.  The other aspect I don't care for is the
propensity for the IDE to always want to put things into project groups
instead of simply allowing for multiple projects.

However, I will say this - applications built with D2007 are pretty stable,
with no glaring issue that I can see.  The IDE issues will hopefully be
addressed soon.

--
Tim Young
Elevate Software
www.elevatesoft.com

> all sit around and relish the good 'ole days of Delphi 7 and earlier,
> or we can move forward and keep supporting CodeGear in a way that
> ultimately benefits us all.

Frankly, I bought Delphi 2007 only for this reason, to help CG stay
afloat. I am still on Delphi 5 at the office and there's also Delphi 7
here. I do very little things with Delphi 2007 and hell knows what I've
been through this whole year testing 2007.

So, "moving forward" I don't really know ... I guess I will probably
support CG in the future the same way, but stick with the stuff that
really works. At home I'm on D7 and just recently moved  few projects
on D2007. The better Delphi 2007 gets, I'll probably drop D7 at home
sometime... but that certainly won't happen at the office, for at least
1-2 years.

For the very same reasons I bought DBISAM a while ago, after realizing
that downloading the sources from russian sites won't help me in the
long run. However, I can't upgrade to EDB because you guys dropped a
nice feature, restructuring tables. Plus, since I decided not to update
soon to EDB (maybe never) ... I now have many own customizations in
DBISAM, which, believe me, I really don't have the time to start over
in EDB, not soon.


regards,

Lucian

Tim



>That's very funny, because my big complaint is that the .NET framework help
>is not present when I launch D2007. I *only* see the CodeGear help and the
>Windows API help, just like with past versions.

Tell me how to do that in D2006 and I'll bear your children <vbcg>

Roy Lambert

Lucian,

<< Frankly, I bought Delphi 2007 only for this reason, to help CG stay
afloat. I am still on Delphi 5 at the office and there's also Delphi 7 here.
I do very little things with Delphi 2007 and hell knows what I've been
through this whole year testing 2007. >>

I know it's difficult, and D2007 certainly isn't perfect, but every little
bit helps.

<< For the very same reasons I bought DBISAM a while ago, after realizing
that downloading the sources from russian sites won't help me in the long
run. However, I can't upgrade to EDB because you guys dropped a nice
feature, restructuring tables. Plus, since I decided not to update soon to
EDB (maybe never) ... I now have many own customizations in DBISAM, which,
believe me, I really don't have the time to start over in EDB, not soon. >>

You can still alter tables in EDB.  Or are you referring to doing so in code
?   If so, then you may want to look at the EDB Manager source code, which
has a lot of code/objects that deal with reading in the catalog information
into objects using SQL and then using those objects to alter, etc. the
underlying EDB objects via SQL also.

--
Tim Young
Elevate Software
www.elevatesoft.com

Roy,

<< Tell me how to do that in D2006 and I'll bear your children <vbcg> >>

C'mon, everyone knows that you're too old to bear children.

BTW, one thing to keep in perspective here with regard to the BDS 2005/BDS
2006 issues is that hopefully CodeGear is breaking away from the mistakes
that were made with those versions, and the neglect of Delphi in general
during that time period.  Every indication that I've seen shows that to be
the case, so we'll just have to see what the future brings.

--
Tim Young
Elevate Software
www.elevatesoft.com

"Tim Young [Elevate Software]" <timyoung@elevatesoft.com> wrote in message
news:7B4B4FB5-BE50-4313-8A66-F28742CD897A@news.elevatesoft.com...
> It's not just money right now.  It's the future of CodeGear and Elevate
> Software that is at issue here.  We use their compilers to develop our
> products, so if customers don't buy the CodeGear IDEs and they go away,
> then we lose the ability to write any products in the future using their
> compilers.  Thus we're screwed and are forced to port our entire product
> line over to an entirely different compiler.  Put more exactly, without
> RAD Studio 2007 we don't put out a .NET 2.0 data provider without porting
> EDB entirely to Chrome or C#.  If CodeGear goes away, then we will be
> forced to move entirely to another IDE/compiler and leave the Delphi
> market behind, which I certainly do not want to do in any way, shape, or
> form.  So, we can all sit around and relish the good 'ole days of Delphi 7
> and earlier, or we can move forward and keep supporting CodeGear in a way
> that ultimately benefits us all.

I knew it would come to this sooner or later with Delphi and codegear. I am
asssuming that CG made this apparent to their tech partners in the last few
months. But this is the first mention I have seen from a third-party vendor.
I guess pressuring partners to sell for them is easier than selling it
themselves (sorry, that was a jab a CG)

There must be a better way for CG to promote Delphi - like maybe spending
something on marketing. The product sure isn't anywhere I look in
programming literature these days. And of course the buzz lately from CG is
"we're doing the best we can".

If someone paid me to work in D2007 I would do it, but the clients I have
all want D7 or Visual Studio. If I could pick my preferred language, it
would be Chrome. I love it.

Good luck in your future endeavors. I hope Delphi succeeds in spite of the
company behind it. It always has before.

-Johnnie

Johnnie,

> If someone paid me to work in D2007 I would do it, but the clients I have
> all want D7 or Visual Studio. If I could pick my preferred language, it
> would be Chrome. I love it.

I never quite understand this. Why does the client want D7 over D2007 - is
the client also a developer? The product (your app) is want the client
wants - why does he care in which language it is written? And when written
in Delphi it is even more strange he want it to be in D7 rather than D2007.
I really do not get this. Maybe can elaborate?

> Good luck in your future endeavors. I hope Delphi succeeds in spite of the
> company behind it. It always has before.

I do hope so also. I cannot judge VS since I do not use it, but I am so used
to the Pascal language that I cannot see mee using C# (case sensivity being
the worst of this language and I do not like the brackets either).

Fons

Roy,

> Ah - one of the lucky ones eh I bet you have very few 3rd party tools
> installed. I really pity some of the people posting on CodeGears ngs.

Nope, I do not have issues either with D2007 (apart from the Help thing). I
haven't had that much issues with D2006 also. I won't go back to D7. Yep,
lucky me.

Fons

But... If somehow I will start using VS (cause Delphi does not exists
anymore) I can still use ElevateDB. Though, I need to use it differently I
guess. Still, it will be my prime DB.

Fons

Johnnie,

<< I knew it would come to this sooner or later with Delphi and codegear. I
am asssuming that CG made this apparent to their tech partners in the last
few months. But this is the first mention I have seen from a third-party
vendor. I guess pressuring partners to sell for them is easier than selling
it themselves (sorry, that was a jab a CG) >>

Whoa, hold on. CodeGear has not said anything at all to this effect. These
are all my own words here.

<< If someone paid me to work in D2007 I would do it, but the clients I have
all want D7 or Visual Studio. If I could
pick my preferred language, it would be Chrome. I love it. >>

Chrome is very nice, but Delphi.Net isn't as bad as it is made out to be
either.  Our .NET data provider was written in Delphi.Net.

--
Tim Young
Elevate Software
www.elevatesoft.com