Tim

>Yeah, it's XE or higher. There's a lot of Unicode/UTF-8 processing involved, and support for that wasn't present in 2007.

Probably being silly here but what about dear old Lazarus?

Roy Lambert

Roy Lambert wrote:
<< Probably being silly here but what about dear old Lazarus? >>

If EWB Modules could be built with Lazarus, I am certain it would open up quite a few developers to module building.

Can they be built with Lazarus though?

Roy,

<< Probably being silly here but what about dear old Lazarus? >>

It's on the list.

Tim Young
Elevate Software
www.elevatesoft.com

On 9/25/2015 11:27 AM, Trinione wrote:
> If EWB Modules could be built with Lazarus, I am certain it would open up quite a few developers to module building.

It's nice to have but I highly doubt it would make a measurable difference.

Just my opinion but there appears to be a fundamental incompatibility
between people using free tools/frameworks and paying for components -
not that it cannot happen but my experience has been it does not
actually happen.

EDB has supported Lazarus for a while now so i wonder if Tim would be
willing to chime in as to actual % of customers using lazarus (if he can
track).

Anybody trying out EWB trial can always just install a delphi trial if
they want to try module creation for now.

Raul

Raul wrote:
<< It's nice to have but I highly doubt it would make a measurable difference.
Just my opinion but there appears to be a fundamental incompatibility
between people using free tools/frameworks and paying for components -
not that it cannot happen but my experience has been it does not
actually happen. >>

Raul:
Pascal is a fantastic language and tools like Delphi, Lazarus and now EWB really open up the developer to do wonderful things.

I have purchased Delphi since Delphi 7 after an attempt at Borland C++ (that's another not getting past Chapter 1 story). After D7 I bought Delphi 2007. The upgrade price was a no-brainer.

However, when I decided to purchase XE2 I saw the price and ran away. I could not believe it. A few months later I falsely convinced myself that I needed to purchase XE2 and timidly returned to the Embarcadero website to so do, only to be shocked to see XE3. Same high price. A went away again. about 6 months later I returned, Credit Card in hand.... only to see XE4!

So, if one year before I had purchased XE2, within a year I was seeing XE4. And, all at a high and upgrade price.

Meanwhile, Lazarus is there. Doing lots and running on various platforms for several years.

Yes, it is a great option even for seasoned Delphi developers.

And, just as I was about to give up on Delphi/Pascal, I came across this fantastic Elevate Web Builder product, which lead me to Elevate Database, both of which I now use.

To be able to create modules with Lazarus also would be phenomenal for me providing higher level solutions to my clients.

It is highly unlikely I, and many other developers would pay the now hefty upgrade price - so being able to create EWB Modules from Lazarus is a big plus IMO.

On 9/25/2015 2:35 PM, Trinione wrote:
> To be able to create modules with Lazarus also would be phenomenal for me providing higher level solutions to my clients.
> It is highly unlikely I, and many other developers would pay the now hefty upgrade price - so being able to create EWB Modules from Lazarus is a big plus IMO.

I agree but i was just saying that adding lazarus support itself will
likely not bring significant new users to EWB.

These is also the matter of limited developer resources (Tim's time) so
i would personally much prefer some of the EWB framework and editor
enhancements before lazarus support (for example v2.5 editor upgrade
with auto complete etc).


Raul

Tim

><< Probably being silly here but what about dear old Lazarus? >>
>
>It's on the list.

There's a scene in one of the HHG books (I think) where an artist keeps adding a layer of paint until with the final layer the painting crashes through the floor - at what point do your various lists implode and form a black hole

Roy Lambert

ps

Strange but true I came across an article about someone who'd been adding layers of paint to a baseball (could have been basketball) for decades - it was about five foot across

Raul


>Just my opinion but there appears to be a fundamental incompatibility
>between people using free tools/frameworks and paying for components -
>not that it cannot happen but my experience has been it does not
>actually happen.

I'm not sure it would make any difference to the size of the EWB customer base but I think you're missing the point here. Trinione (unless he's just using the trial version) has paid for EWB so he's demonstrated he's willing spend money just doesn't see the value in the embarcadero upgrade and, more importantly, doesn't want to spend several time the cost of EWB in buying a tool for EWB.

If he's still just evaluating I withdraw all comments

Roy Lambert

<<
I'm not sure it would make any difference to the size of the EWB customer base but I think you're missing the point here. Trinione (unless he's just using the trial version) has paid for EWB so he's demonstrated he's willing spend money just doesn't see the value in the embarcadero upgrade and, more importantly, doesn't want to spend several time the cost of EWB in buying a tool for EWB.

If he's still just evaluating I withdraw all comments >>

LOL. . The comments stay, paid for from the pre-release version.

You are spot on with you interpretation of my comments. And, I totally agree that the other items come first. That it is on the list and something that can be done is fantastic.

I have done the research as per this original post and shall share my solution when I get back to my laptop later on today.

<< Roy Lambert wrote:

I'm not sure it would make any difference to the size of the EWB customer base but I think you're missing the point here.

>>

Yes - i mis-interpreted the original post. My reading of if it was that adding lazarus support would result in more EWB users but that of course was not at all what Trinione said.


Raul