> Well, for starters, I won't be putting the English collation anywhere near
> the French collation.

ROTFLMAO...  Love it! Does that mean you need to make more changes before
the release, or did you see this one comming already and prepare in advance?


Adam.

Michael,

> And I strongly disagree with Mike regarding Russian propaganda.
Propaganda is very strong in every country.

But my point is that in most exUSSR countries the people haven't the
democratic elections.

Look in Russia - Putin is appointed by Elzin (please don't say that people
elected) and now all electorate wait what say Putin about next "President".
Putin will appoint the next person and people will "vote" again.

This is the style of USSR - there we had the "elections" too and most people
leaved not bad (in economic term) and has the stable future but are you
really want to live in USSR again? I personally - NOT! I want to have the
choice (or at least to imagine that I have)...

All they live as they want and I don't suggest to bomb like in Iraq or
Belgrad (personally I sure that this is mistake of White House). All what I
say is that situation in these countries is not so good and UN (or any other
international organizations) must have the influence there.

We all live in small Earth and the freedom of mad neighbour limited by
borders of his house. If any his action will disturb another persons, he
must be stoped (by legal methods). His freedom limited by freedom of another
persons. IMHO the same rule must work for countries.
--
With best regards, Mike Shkolnik
EMail: mshkolnik@scalabium.com
http://www.scalabium.com

Mike,

I'd put it a bit differently. The democracy as I understand
it is when *the majority* of people chooses whatever they feel best
for them and if the majority of people in xUSSR and generally in most
russian cultural and russia dominated areas feel that they like to
have a strong Czar or Autocrat - I think that that's what they should
be able to get. It's very natural for Russia to have Czar (and this has
nothing to do with being barbaric, it's just the type of culture, after
all limited monarchy could be quite civil). And please don't tell me
that Putin doesn't have one of the highest levels of approval! Wasn't
he reelected once after he was appointed? Nazarbaev got over 80% votes!
Those are real people, who voted. Yes, they're a bit old fashioned and
not believe in democracy very much - but that's their life and that's
their choice. I think we should learn to live with what we have and
accept the reality at hands. When you say they don't
have choice, what exactly do you mean? Just compare to what happened in
Kirgizstan. Those people do have choice - they can choose order supported
by their own internal powers or chaos (contained by US & NATO troops).
That's their only choice. It makes no sense voting for a party, who
has not real power and will be unable to rule the country.

Those of us (myself included) with strong european inclination, must
understand that we're the minority here (so far) and we should not
delude ourselves that russia (or Uzbekistan!) can or should be a
true democracy. It's going to be bad for them, will not cause anything
but stagnation and civil disobedience, anarchy, kleptocracy, etc.
This is my opinion. The society itself must grow up to be able to
comprehend democracy. If you force or impose western type democracy on a
traditionalistic culture, you will end up with chaos. Simple people
just don't understand what's going on.
This is why I oppose very strongly any western interventions into
our political and social matters - they don't understand the specifics
and what they do (even when they actually want to do good, although
mostly they're using us for their purposes) causes chaos and
craziness. Unfortunately, I witness too many cases of this here
in Kharkov, especially with regards to current NATO PR-campaign.

And yes, both Iraq and especially Belgrad were big mistakes. US
troops has already killed more civilians, then Saddam Husseyn ever
did, ruined the country and lives of millions others, brought
fundamentalists to power etc. What kind of hypocrisy is that when
they say they bring "peace and democracy"? If this is what "peace
and democracy" means, then keep it off of me - I'd rather live under
happy dictatorship


Regards,
Michael

Mike Shkolnik wrote:
> Michael,
>
>> And I strongly disagree with Mike regarding Russian propaganda.
> Propaganda is very strong in every country.
>
> But my point is that in most exUSSR countries the people haven't the
> democratic elections.
>
> Look in Russia - Putin is appointed by Elzin (please don't say that people
> elected) and now all electorate wait what say Putin about next "President".
> Putin will appoint the next person and people will "vote" again.
>
> This is the style of USSR - there we had the "elections" too and most people
> leaved not bad (in economic term) and has the stable future but are you
> really want to live in USSR again? I personally - NOT! I want to have the
> choice (or at least to imagine that I have)...
>
> All they live as they want and I don't suggest to bomb like in Iraq or
> Belgrad (personally I sure that this is mistake of White House). All what I
> say is that situation in these countries is not so good and UN (or any other
> international organizations) must have the influence there.
>
> We all live in small Earth and the freedom of mad neighbour limited by
> borders of his house. If any his action will disturb another persons, he
> must be stoped (by legal methods). His freedom limited by freedom of another
> persons. IMHO the same rule must work for countries.
> --
> With best regards, Mike Shkolnik
> EMail: mshkolnik@scalabium.com
> http://www.scalabium.com
>
>

"Dominic Willems" <domus.software@pandora.be> wrote in message
news:BA62AC78-DA0B-4593-994C-AEFFB0998271@news.elevatesoft.com...
>
> They're docile bon-vivants, trust me.
They wrecked war graves and painted slogans saying
"Get of our land" and generally insulted those who died
helping them

R. Tipton wrote:
> They wrecked war graves and painted slogans saying
> "Get of our land" and generally insulted those who died
> helping them

You took a little kid from his mom and beat it to death.

"Dominic Willems" <domus.software@pandora.be> wrote in message
news:D370A0A2-7C5F-4CD2-9F04-6A19AC6BC346@news.elevatesoft.com...
>
> You took a little kid from his mom and beat it to death.

WHEN ?

R. Tipton wrote:
>> You took a little kid from his mom and beat it to death.
>
> WHEN ?

James Bulger, 1993. And I can name another one hundred thousand
individual crimes I will hold you responsible for, as you are doing with
the war grave desecration incident.

1) you cannot hold a nation responsible for crimes committed by
individuals. If you do, be prepared to undergo it yourself;

2) the desecration was very likely committed by Muslims. It happened
shortly after you invaded Iraq, where you slaughtered far more than a
handful of innocent people. I see no outrage from you about that, but a
lot of outrage about an incident where nobody got hurt, because it
happened in France. That's telling. Your measure of justice?

3) your reaction is that of someone who stayed in the pub long after
closing time, honestly.

Ah.. yes sir! well.. sometimes, but lately ... my age has calmed me down a lot.

How are things with you?!

Regards,
Scott.

"Steve Forbes" <ozmosys@spamfreeoptusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:897A3E91-3061-4B14-9BF5-5C638522E8FD@news.elevatesoft.com...
> Hi Scott,
>
>> Yeah.. was thinking about having a few beers and rattling off some sensless crap and see who gets worked up over
>> nothing.. hehe
>
> Isn't that a normal post for you though? <bgd&r>
> --

Eryk,

<< No need to worry. If two Europeans are having an argument all you need to
to to restore entente cordiale is mention your glorious leader :P >>



--
Tim Young
Elevate Software
www.elevatesoft.com

Adam,

<< ROTFLMAO...  Love it! Does that mean you need to make more changes before
the release, or did you see this one comming already and prepare in advance?
>>

It amazes me that they cooperate on as much as they do.  However, the US
isn't exactly the poster boy for diplomacy right now so I really shouldn't
be pointing fingers.

--
Tim Young
Elevate Software
www.elevatesoft.com